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[Merilsell]

I loved what Loghain said to my (new) City elf yesterday at Ostagar. (Can't remember the exact words *bangs head*)

"You are pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let others telling you that you don't belong among them. The first Grey Warden Maric brought back was a woman. Extraordinary fighter, she was."

At least I now have something for what I can respect Loghain xD

Modifié par Merilsell, 07 avril 2010 - 01:13 .

[sylvanaerie]

Merilsell wrote...

I loved what Loghain said to my (new) City elf yesterday at Ostagar. (Can't remember the exact words *bangs head*)

"You are pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let others telling you that you don't belong among them. The first Grey Warden Maric brought back was a woman. Extraordinary fighter, she was."

At least I now have something for what I can respect Loghain xD

Aside from my HN (Who thought she might go around Cailan and seek help for vengeance/justice from the Hero of River Dane and the other Teryn in Ferelden) none of them speak to Loghain after my first playthrough.  I really don't like the NPC and the less contact I have with him in game the better.

But you are right male or female he treats each PC pretty much the same depending on their origin story regardless of gender.  Loghain seems to practice a "by merits" promotion system not just playing favorites.  Ser Cauthrien is his second and considering how hard she hits in battle, she wasn't promoted for being pretty.

[Merilsell]

I try to avoid Loghain like hell normally too, but when you are at Ostagar for the approx. 46409 times, you start messing around and do things you normally wouldn't xD



And I second the thought about Ser Cauthrien. Definitely.

[MutantSpleen]

I love Loghain he should be romanceable.



That will probably set someone off..lol

(Truely though I love his voice, its very sexy)

[sylvanaerie]

MutantSpleen wrote...

I love Loghain he should be romanceable.



That will probably set someone off..lol

(Truely though I love his voice, its very sexy)

I hate him actually and if he were romanceable I would probably have to put him through unspeakably horrible tortures before I ripped out his heart emotionally.  I think his voice sounds like he gargles with razorblades.  Highly annoying. And usually I find an English accent sexy.  Though I think it has more to do with the way he speaks (as the VA does the sassed mage in the scene when you find Alistair in Ostagar and I don't find him annoying there).

[MutantSpleen]

sylvanaerie wrote...

MutantSpleen wrote...

I love Loghain he should be romanceable.



That will probably set someone off..lol

(Truely though I love his voice, its very sexy)

I hate him actually and if he were romanceable I would probably have to put him through unspeakably horrible tortures before I ripped out his heart emotionally.  I think his voice sounds like he gargles with razorblades.  Highly annoying. And usually I find an English accent sexy.  Though I think it has more to do with the way he speaks (as the VA does the sassed mage in the scene when you find Alistair in Ostagar and I don't find him annoying there).

Isn't life grand...different strokes and all

I love his sarcastic mocking at the Landsmeet, even though I know its against my character but I eat it up.  "Ahh here we have the puppeteer!"

[Sabriana]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I hate him actually and if he were romanceable I would probably have to put him through unspeakably horrible tortures before I ripped out his heart emotionally.  I think his voice sounds like he gargles with razorblades.  Highly annoying.

But how do you really feel, Syvanaerie? Don't hold back on our account

I bet you wouldn't say that if Bann Sexy.... er, Bann Teagan were romanceble. Although I shudder to think what you would do to Isolde....

Loghain is pretty nice to all the origin females. But I do like the way he praises the fighting prowess of the HNF warrior.

[sylvanaerie]

Sabriana wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I hate him actually and if he were romanceable I would probably have to put him through unspeakably horrible tortures before I ripped out his heart emotionally.  I think his voice sounds like he gargles with razorblades.  Highly annoying.

But how do you really feel, Syvanaerie? Don't hold back on our account

I bet you wouldn't say that if Bann Sexy.... er, Bann Teagan were romanceble. Although I shudder to think what you would do to Isolde....

Loghain is pretty nice to all the origin females. But I do like the way he praises the fighting prowess of the HNF warrior.

BTW have I said how much I REALLY really love Teagan?  I think from now on I will just let Jowan do his ritual and kill Isolde on subsequent playthroughs.  I really don't like how familiar she gets with the BannHammer.

[PSRdirector]

I played Female on both City Elf and Human Noble and felt both were amazing, I loved being the woman in the Human noble, guys would talk down to you, because your just a woman at times and you would kick there ass... vindication. Also as the Female in City Elf, I love the idea of being the bad ass bride who kicks ass. when your captured with all the other woman, after they kill one of your friends and joke that they are going to RAPE YOU!!! (i mean they are evil, it fits) when they **** themselves when you get the sword and slit there throughts. I just love that feeling. I lost interest in my male characters for the most part, I right now have 3 females and one male (my avatar over there... wave high!!!) three of them are on the PS3 one is on the PC, I am planing more males, but I personally dont see how the City Elf can be as fun if your not Female. Being the bride who wedding gets crashed seems awsome REVENGE!!!

[soignee]

sylvanaerie wrote...

BTW have I said how much I REALLY really love Teagan?  I think from now on I will just let Jowan do his ritual and kill Isolde on subsequent playthroughs.  I really don't like how familiar she gets with the BannHammer.

...Did someone say TEE-GHAN?

hmm, Bann Sexy. Here, have some Bann looking don:


This is by Aimo.


Annnnnnd this is by Reuben.


The Bannhammer really, really has no issues you're a female warden. Obviously.

[sylvanaerie]

soignee wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

BTW have I said how much I REALLY really love Teagan?  I think from now on I will just let Jowan do his ritual and kill Isolde on subsequent playthroughs.  I really don't like how familiar she gets with the BannHammer.

...Did someone say TEE-GHAN?

hmm, Bann Sexy. Here, have some Bann looking don:


This is by Aimo.


Annnnnnd this is by Reuben.


The Bannhammer really, really has no issues you're a female warden. Obviously.

OOOH thank you thank you thank you Soignee!!  Definitely some SQEEEE worthy pics!!! *Hugs monitor in a Teagan rush!*

[Addai]

traversc wrote...

I also wholly dispute the claim that you're "already distinguished" altogether. My impression from MHN playthrough is that you are much less experienced than your brother. A "pup" as your father calls you. If you are so experienced, why doesn't your father send you off to battle with your brother? Why does your father say "I'm sure you would prove yourself if we sent you to battle." To me, that indicates that you are inexperienced as you have YET to prove yourself.

This is pulling at straws.  Bryce Cousland says he would take you with him and is sure you would do well in battle, but a) your mother objects, he needs someone to guard the home front, c) he does not want to risk both his heirs at once (as Fergus' wife points out).  His pet name for your PC is obviously something carried over from childhood.  Naturally your PC is young, but that applies whether you're a female or male.

Correct me if I'm wrong but, before the attack by Howe, I don't believe MHN or FHN had ANY real battle experience. (Hence the line about proving yourself, above). If so, 6 months of real fighting is a LOT of experience compared to the one day exposure you've had to darkspawn.

In any origin, by the time you get to Ostagar, you have been in at least one pitched battle for your life.  In addition, depending on the origin, you may have spent your whole life fighting:  DC and CE fighting street toughs, DE hunting for survival, DN fighting darkspawn.  Whereas Alistair has spent his young adulthood sheltered in a monastery.  Training in soldiery, to be sure, but so has the HN.  All of this puts you on parity with Alistair in everything but a minimal amount of Grey Warden exposure.  The mage character is the one who has the least plausible reason to be in Ostagar fighting, but again, that applies whether you're male or female.

Your reputation in Ostagar is established by Duncan's report which is sent ahead of you.   Alistair, Cailan, Jory and Daveth all express awareness of your reputation via Duncan, even if Jory and Daveth do make some mildly sexist comments.  In the Korcari Wilds, it's not only Alistair deferring to you, but Jory and Daveth as well (e.g.  Daveth will say "hey, I'm following you").

Thus far I see no incongruity in the female PC being established as just as experienced, just as capable as a male PC or her male Warden counterparts.  But whatever... as I said earlier in the thread, if you find playing a female PC so terribly OOC and implausible, then that is easily solved by not playing a female PC.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 avril 2010 - 03:15 .

[Sabriana]

Oh look, prezzies for Sylvanaerie

Aimo and Reuben rock. Big time.

Bann Sexy has absolutely no issues with femWardens. He knows the value of the fighting women.



S'cuse me, I have some staring to do.

[TotalLamer]

traversc wrote...

Oh yes. Absolutely. Bioware is going to just lie about the world they created in the character creator. Mislead new players for no apparent reason. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Oh wait, no it doesn't!

... Seriously? I'm not going to even justify this with a complete response. Here's a hint: could you imagine Bioware saying that men and women are NOT treated equally? Think about it. -OR- continue being snippity. Your choice.

Of course they would!  It's a medeivel fantasy setting.  Men and women being treated unequally would make perfect sense.  But if you say you can't believe what Bioware explicitely states as fact in the character creation screen, what can you believe?  I mean seriously?!  You're trying to tell me Bioware is going to straight-up lie about the world they created for this game?  You're seriously out of your mind.

[Sabriana]

Addai67 wrote...

lots of logical stuff

 But whatever... as I said earlier in the thread, if you find playing a female PC so terribly OOC and implausible, then that is easily solved by not playing a female PC.

Stop being logical. Logic has no place here.

[traversc]

TotalLamer wrote...

traversc wrote...

Oh yes. Absolutely. Bioware is going to just lie about the world they created in the character creator. Mislead new players for no apparent reason. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Oh wait, no it doesn't!

... Seriously? I'm not going to even justify this with a complete response. Here's a hint: could you imagine Bioware saying that men and women are NOT treated equally? Think about it. -OR- continue being snippity. Your choice.

Of course they would!  It's a medeivel fantasy setting.  Men and women being treated unequally would make perfect sense.  But if you say you can't believe what Bioware explicitely states as fact in the character creation screen, what can you believe?  I mean seriously?!  You're trying to tell me Bioware is going to straight-up lie about the world they created for this game?  You're seriously out of your mind.

Except it's NOT a straight up lie.  Shades of gray.  Men and women are treated differently and thus, not equally, in game, period.  Even if Ferelden exactly mirrored modern society, it STILL would be untrue.  Coupled that with the fact that the modifier "fairly" as in "fairly equally" is completely subjective, and it is almost a non-statement. 

This is all I'm going to say on this.  If you choose to believe outright some politically correct offhand statement on a character creator screen, despite clear examples to the contrary represented in lore, I won't try to dissuade you further. 

[traversc]

Thus far I see no incongruity in the female PC being
established as just as experienced, just as capable as a male PC or her
male Warden counterparts. 

Please show me where I stated otherwise.  The OP argued that, given equal skill, a physical size is an important factor when determining combat prowess.  If you've read my posts, you'd realize I never made that point since 1) I don't really know if that's true (but I'd argue that NEITHER DO YOU) and 2) I don't think it is a necessary argument to make. 

On the other hand, I did state that this is more about perception since we're talking about the believability of certain conversations/interactions. 

Butwhatever... as I said earlier in the thread, if you find playing a female PC so terribly OOC and implausible, then that is easily solved by not playing a female PC.

Off topic...? 

Here is a version of what you ar really saying:

if you find the fact that others have qualms about playing a female PC so terribly OOC and implausible, then that is easily solved by playing a female PC and not posting in a debate.

I have played female PC, anyway.  

Addai67 wrote...

This is pulling at straws.  Bryce Cousland says he would take you with him and is sure you would do well in battle, but a) your mother objects, he needs someone to guard the home front, c) he does not want to risk both his heirs at once (as Fergus' wife points out).  His pet name for your PC is obviously something carried over from childhood.  Naturally your PC is young, but that applies whether you're a female or male.

Yes, he WOULD take you.  But the fact is, he didn't.  Thus, what I said earlier, HN has no real battle experience before Howe.  And hence, the line of dialogue indicating that you have yet to prove yourself in battle.  I find it hard to imagine why you think I am "pulling straws" when my point was never about the reason WHY you were not taken. 

Whereas Alistair has spent his young adulthood sheltered in a monastery.  Training in soldiery, to be sure, but so has the HN.  All of this puts you on parity with Alistair in everything but a minimal amount of Grey Warden exposure.  The mage character is the one who has the least plausible reason to be in Ostagar fighting, but again, that applies whether you're male or female.

Someone quoted that Alistair had been in the grey wardens for 6 months.  Even taking into account that he obviously didn't fight every day, that's a TON more battle experience than the 1-2 days you've had previous.  That, plus the fact that he actually HAS encountered darkspawn before, whereas you have not, makes him much more experienced IMO. 

But at any rate, we are just arguing on subjective details now.  You say 6 months is not a long time, I say it is.  I can certainly understand why you'd like your opinion to be true, but I just don't think it is true.  I'm also pretty tired of the pettyness in this thread, so I think we should call it a day, and agree to disagree. 

Modifié par traversc, 07 avril 2010 - 07:18 .

[rak72]

I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread, but here goes:

Speaking of the Kocari Wilds, lets not forget that if you are a FPC, and become friends w/ Mo, she tells you that she was following you guys around the KW in animal form, and she was amazed how this woman is so superior to the pitiful band of guys she was traveling with. So, so much for the theory about Al & Jory's superior knight training.

[traversc]

rak72 wrote...

I swore I wouldn't get involved in this thread, but here goes:
Speaking of the Kocari Wilds, lets not forget that if you are a FPC, and become friends w/ Mo, she tells you that she was following you guys around the KW in animal form, and she was amazed how this woman is so superior to the pitiful band of guys she was traveling with. So, so much for the theory about Al & Jory's superior knight training.

Yeah so much for that... except for the fact that it's irrelevant to the point and has been for 3-4 pages.  If you're going to break your solemn vow of not getting involved in a thread, at least read what people right.  I mean, FFS, man. 

[rak72]

Ummm... Wasn't the discussion of this thread about how a new female warden doesn't have the training and skilz that the male version of her does???????????? The conversation with Mo would prove that to the contrary. so FFS you

[rak72]

Unless you were referring to the Bann Sexy discussion? In THAT case, let me just say, "HAWTTTT" Defiantly should be a romance option - for guys and girls. NO ONE should be denied the hot hunk of beef that is TEEEEEEEEEEEGHHHAN! Oh Teghan, why were we denied you in DAO. I must go off now and fantasize about what I would have done to you on the second floor of Redcliff Castle.

[sylvanaerie]

rak72 wrote...

Unless you were referring to the Bann Sexy discussion? In THAT case, let me just say, "HAWTTTT" Defiantly should be a romance option - for guys and girls. NO ONE should be denied the hot hunk of beef that is TEEEEEEEEEEEGHHHAN! Oh Teghan, why were we denied you in DAO. I must go off now and fantasize about what I would have done to you on the second floor of Redcliff Castle.

MMMM Teagan....

[Lupus Canivus]

To Axekix,



I can understand your reasoning (sorry I stopped reading after half way through this thread) but I don't agreee with you. I played as male once (I am male) and since then its been female all the way, elf, dog and tree. As an ex-service man I have met a few women who could kick-ase and still bake a cake afterwards, lol. Women have as many hung-ups as any male but they don't tend to allow themselves to be boxed in by their "femineity" as we do by our "masculinity". And before you or anyone shoots me down think about it a while.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Guys are ok but i only have male warriors none ive ever beat the game are anything but male warriors but ive beat the game alot as a female mage and a female rogue. When i think about it i enjoy my female charaters more. Cause everyone always doubts women and never thinks there cut out for the job or they are inferier to men and i like proving shale sten and the dwarves wrong . Besides women are wiser so they make better heros
Oh BTW im a guy my female avatars just look cooler.

Modifié par OrlesianWardenCommander, 08 avril 2010 - 02:20 .

[traversc]

rak72 wrote...

Ummm... Wasn't the discussion of this thread about how a new female warden doesn't have the training and skilz that the male version of her does???????????? The conversation with Mo would prove that to the contrary. so FFS you

No, it wasn't and hasn't been for the last 20 posts or so....