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[sylvanaerie]

Merilsell wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

I would say it would have to depend on how you RP it. The Dalish seemed to be very clannish and close (Almost as much as the human noble family if not more so) and I played it that my PC was very much an innocent thrust from the only world she had ever known, that comfort and love (that scene where you say goodbye and walk away from the clan always moves me) wrenched away. She blamed Duncan for her situation and wondered why he couldn't just give her the cure there and let her go on with her life. It isn't till much later that she realizes how much rests on her young shoulders. And I played her as very young too, not much more than a teenager in human terms (I think the Dalish live longer than city elves).

Exactly. As for me I*m a sucker for the Dalish Elf - origin, but more so what comes afterwards. She is ripped off from the only world she knows and thrown into one she does not know, nor want to. Everything important has been ripped away from her and in order to survive, she has to cooporate with a human, for creator's sake. And she frikkin hates humans. I think it depends on how creative your mind is in RP the DE. I for myself see a lot potential in this "culture mistrust/misunderstanding/ being forced together and have to deal with it" --  thing Alistair and she surely would have. Therefore my FanFiction about it Dalish elves needs moar looove ^^

The only one of my PCs who despised Duncan was my Dalish because she
felt abandoned by her clan and that he could have just given her the
damn cure instead of dragging her down to Ostagar "Kicking and
screaming"

Aww, that's sounds just like my Lenya.

"Filthy shem, don't you dare to touch me *glares* Right of conscription? Screw that! Your shem rules mean nothing to me *glares more*

Ahh, I lurve her

LOL I read a little of your fanfic and will probably go back and read more when its not so late and I can focus on it.  It SO describes how I Roleplayed out Rhiannon!  Kinda afraid to read more though if she's mean to Alistair. He's so sweet, I don't like to read mean fanfics on him.  She isn't hateful to him is she?  A little justified anger is understandable but not hateful?  lol and Lenya bit Duncan...yep Rhia would have done that too

[soignee]

Yeah, being a DC actually feels like Duncan is giving you a step up and not a shove down. I RP'd the Leske thing by my Brosca being a slight selfish cow and realising Leske would do the same to her in the situation. Rica on the other hand she is guilty about. Constantly.

I have 2 Dalish- my male one is unhinged and pragmatic AND HATES YOU SHEMS, and had his heart broken by Morrigan, and a lady who I've just finished Ostagar with. Not sure what to do with her, but I only rolled her as someone asked me to write a Tamlen thing.

[LadyDamodred]

Ahhh, thank you, sylvanaerie. My Dalish always just see him as a brother. Poor Tamlen.



And just to be clear, I see the tragedy in all the origins, believe me. I love to rp and I've spun out so many stories in my head that it's kind of ridiculous. Depending on how you play them, they're all pretty horrific in one way or another. The HNF hits me the hardest on an emotional level, with the DE really close behind. It might be because of that cutscene where she leaves. Just like the one with my DNF leaving Gorim. Eesh, that always gets me. While the CE is one of my favorite origins, it doesn't quite hit me on the same emotional level as the others. It just doesn't seem quite as tragic. Of course, when you go back later in the game... Well, that's another story.

[Sarah1281]

I don't think Duncan makes anyone's life worse (since they or the people around them had managed that quite nicely by the time he steps in) but the dwarf commoner loses all they have (basically just Rica and Leske) with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar while the DE clan would be happy to welcome them back as long as they were no longer in danger of becoming like Tamlen.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think Duncan makes anyone's life worse (since they or the people around them had managed that quite nicely by the time he steps in) but the dwarf commoner loses all they have (basically just Rica and Leske) with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar while the DE clan would be happy to welcome them back as long as they were no longer in danger of becoming like Tamlen.

I swear I am ther only DC player who views Leske as just the thug you got paired with in the Carta. STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER YOU ASS.

[Sarah1281]

I swear I am ther only DC player who views Leske as just the thug you got paired with in the Carta. STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER YOU ASS.

Doesn't somebody call him your best friend? Albeit your best friend who won't shut up about your sister?

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think Duncan makes anyone's life worse (since they or the people around them had managed that quite nicely by the time he steps in) but the dwarf commoner loses all they have (basically just Rica and Leske) with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar while the DE clan would be happy to welcome them back as long as they were no longer in danger of becoming like Tamlen.

I think Duncan's a bastard in the HN origin.  He extorts your recruitment while you're saying goodbye to your dying father.

[Herr Uhl]

Sarah1281 wrote...
*snip*
with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar
*snip*

Yes, but they are also made GW, which puts them at the same level as Duncan's associates in the DN origin. Any GW is welcome to Orzammar during normal circumstances.

Yes, I love getting into silly arguments.

[sylvanaerie]

Sarah1281 wrote...

DC was actually third-to-least tragic for me (after Mage and DE). I don't think it's plausible that they will NEVER find their clan again. If nothing else, they can find a local clan (which they do in the course of collecting the treaties) and the clans do have vague ways of finding each other. It may take awhile, but it's perfectly doable.

Doable yes but you can never go back to that innocent you once were.  Your experiences out in a world you don't understand and have to get adjusted to change you so much will you ever feel Dalish again? And you had only this man's word your friend (Possible love) is dead/too far gone to save.  It has its angst too if you find the right angle.  All the different Origins if you RP it as such have their angst.  Or they can have their positive sides.  I can see where the CE might not give two hoots and a holler about his family and thinks "Damn I'm lucky to be out of this sh*thole now!".  Ditto the DC (though I played my DC as very protective of her sister and didn't want to go with Duncan till I was sure Rica was safe from reprisals for my actions) who isn't in that Dust Town anymore.  Mages could be relieved they were out of the Circle (and mine was as well but it didn't mean she severed all ties to the Circle, feeling both her old life and her new were intertwined, with both mages and GW's her family).  I played my DN as an innocent caught up in the shark tank that her family was.  She was framed by Bhelen and cast out.  Duncan was her savior then (as opposed to becoming a Broodmother in the Deep Roads) and becoming a GW was a blessing.

It all depends on the perspective and how you RP your characters I would think.

[soignee]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I swear I am ther only DC player who views Leske as just the thug you got paired with in the Carta. STOP HITTING ON MY SISTER YOU ASS.

Doesn't somebody call him your best friend? Albeit your best friend who won't shut up about your sister?

It's coming up to 5am here so I can't put this into coherence, but to me Leske is the childhood friend you outgrow, and that when you go back you find you've changed but he hasn't.

Which is probably what they were aiming for, to be honest.

[LadyDamodred]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think Duncan makes anyone's life worse (since they or the people around them had managed that quite nicely by the time he steps in) but the dwarf commoner loses all they have (basically just Rica and Leske) with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar while the DE clan would be happy to welcome them back as long as they were no longer in danger of becoming like Tamlen.

I think Duncan's a bastard in the HN origin.  He extorts your recruitment while you're saying goodbye to your dying father.

For some characters, yes.  Not my favorite HNF, though.  In her case, she wanted be a GW, and that scene at the end came across more as Duncan's promise to protect you and reassure your father.  Bryce gave persmission, which helps ease my char's guilt at going, and let's my dad die knowing his daughter will be all right.  My HNF rogue almost had to be conscripted, though.  She caved in when Bryce said 'a Cousland always does their duty'.  Like, damnit, Dad, did you have to throw the duty card in my face like that?  I love how the same scene can play out two totally different ways based on slight rp changes.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 10 avril 2010 - 04:18 .

[sylvanaerie]

LadyDamodred wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I don't think Duncan makes anyone's life worse (since they or the people around them had managed that quite nicely by the time he steps in) but the dwarf commoner loses all they have (basically just Rica and Leske) with little hope of ever being able to get it back as they're basically kicked out of Orzammar while the DE clan would be happy to welcome them back as long as they were no longer in danger of becoming like Tamlen.

I think Duncan's a bastard in the HN origin.  He extorts your recruitment while you're saying goodbye to your dying father.

For some characters, yes.  Not my favorite HNF, though.  In her case, she wanted be a GW, and that scene at the end came across more as Duncan's promise to protect you and reassure your father.  Bryce gived persmission, which helps ease my char's guilt at going, and let's my dad die knowing his daughter will be all right.  My HNF rogue almost had to be conscripted, though.  She caved in when Bryce said 'a Cousland always does their duty'.  Like, damnit, Dad, did you have to throw the duty card in my face like that?  I love how the same scene can play out two totally different ways based on slight rp changes.

yep thats the line that gets me too.  I played my favorite HNF as "daddy's girl" doing anything she could to make daddy proud. She didn't protest getting left behind to defend the keep and she refused Duncan (I love how Bryce steps between Duncan and his "pup" protectively saying NO to conscripting her/him). It was only when Bryce pulled the duty card that she relented at the end.  My HNM was the one who wanted to be a GW and I pretty much saw it the way yours did too.  He just wished he could have talked Mom into coming with him.

I wish there was an option to hug the Bryce shade in the Gauntlet.  The hardest thing with losing someone you love (at least for me) is knowing you can never hug them again

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 10 avril 2010 - 04:32 .

[Merilsell]

sylvanaerie wrote...
LOL I read a little of your fanfic and will probably go back and read more when its not so late and I can focus on it.  It SO describes how I Roleplayed out Rhiannon!  Kinda afraid to read more though if she's mean to Alistair. He's so sweet, I don't like to read mean fanfics on him.  She isn't hateful to him is she?  A little justified anger is understandable but not hateful?  lol and Lenya bit Duncan...yep Rhia would have done that too

I think Lenya found her sister then with Rhia xD

Mean? Well she isn't that mean. Okay her first words to him are "Are you an idiot" and she is mocking him, but she is respecting him more than Daveth or Jory for example (okay not that hard) I would rather say Alistair has some hard times with her and her attitute, but hateful? Naah. Rather with other humans outside the companions (and Leliana, cause Lenya does not approve of the Maker. Not at all.)

My FF is advancing in a slow pace, but that is intended, so I have gradually enough time for character development I mean 12 chapter's are up and they have entered Lothering by now, w00t

Anyway thanks for reading, I feel loved

[sylvanaerie]

Nothing to see...

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 10 avril 2010 - 12:10 .

[traversc]

rak72 wrote...

traversc wrote...

rak72 wrote...

Ummm... Wasn't the discussion of this thread about how a new female warden doesn't have the training and skilz that the male version of her does???????????? The conversation with Mo would prove that to the contrary. so FFS you

No, it wasn't and hasn't been for the last 20 posts or so....

Realy?????  Then why does it say in your post above mine:

traversc wrote...

Someone quoted that Alistair had been in the grey wardens for 6 months.  Even taking into account that he obviously didn't fight every day, that's a TON more battle experience than the 1-2 days you've had previous.  That, plus the fact that he actually HAS encountered darkspawn before, whereas you have not, makes him much more experienced IMO. 

It says that because you're not reading properly.  You said "Wasn't the discussion of this thread about how a new female warden
doesn't have the training and skilz that the male version of her
does????????????"  Nowhere in that quote does it compare FHN to MHN. 

[Mlai00]

DC origin tragic? Huh... what...?

I used to be a thug minion for some 2nd-rate crime boss in a ****hole slum, but now I am a Grey Warden who princes have to make nice to. I've cheated and killed more people on the surface than I can count, in broad daylight, making tons of money, and people still treat me like an Orlesian chevalier (in Orlais). And for all that I just have to fight Darkspawn, which tbh was what I wanted to do. Sure beats joining the Legion. Dang, I lucked out!

And it's not like my family had to die for this to happen. Rica (and mam) is all set up with the would-be king, and I get to help make that ascension happen.

I'm reading here that bad stuff will happen to Leske? Hmm, I'm getting around to offing Jarvia... I had thought I'd read about how Leske takes over the power vacuum in the epilogue, and I'd w00t at reading that. I guess that won't happen, oh well. Personally I like Leske; he was always my main wingman. Alistair is a poor substitute. I'd take him up to the surface if I could. It'd be great to see the surface world through another duster's eyes; I know I'm just too much of a tazmanian hurricane to notice that kind of stuff by myself... so that's what I miss most about him.

I was really afraid that he'd work for Jarvia now, and I'd have to deal with that. But I talked to him and it seems everything'll be fine once I kill J. But now, you guys' banter throw doubts on that again.

Modifié par Mlai00, 11 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[Sarah1281]

DC origin tragic? Huh... what...?

It IS a good thing that you're getting out of Orzammar and escape 'justice' for entering the Proving but there is a lot of uncertainty in what's going to happen to Leske (an accomplice to your 'crime' and who helped kill the influential Beraht) and to Rica (who claims she MIGHT have a wealthy patron who she won't tell you about because she's not sure yet and who Beraht already wanted to take his issues with you out on and someone else might decide to as well). Yes, they end up being fine but there's really now way of knowing that until a year passes and you return, now is there?

[Mlai00]

Wait, there is a way for me to not kill Beraht, in the DC origin????

Not that I'd ever spare that miserable Bronto dung, but I never noticed that it's even possible. When I break out of his jail, game automatically goes into combat when he shows up.

And yeah, I'm in Jarvia's hideout now... wondering what I'm gonna have to do with my pal. Poor Snotra isn't feeling very good.

[Loc'n'lol]

Mlai00 wrote...

I was really afraid that he'd work for Jarvia now, and I'd have to deal with that. But I talked to him and it seems everything'll be fine once I kill J. But now, you guys' banter throw doubts on that again.

I won't spoil you, but you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Mlai00 wrote...

I was really afraid that he'd work for Jarvia now, and I'd have to deal with that. But I talked to him and it seems everything'll be fine once I kill J. But now, you guys' banter throw doubts on that again.

I won't spoil you, but you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Ah yes, the dreaded flying dogs from Anderfels mauling poor Leske to death. I cried at the sight of the carnage...

[zchen]

About the DE origin. I think the perception one has also has to do with the order one played the origins. For me, this was the first origin I played and beat the game with; I was fully immersed in RP'ing, reading all the elf related codex and understanding where the anger against humans come from.



And I would argue that precisely because of the relative lack of other personal backgrounds, the Dalish origin is a open book for one to RP and fill in any details.



It seems for some where the DE origin is not first played, they go in with preconceived ideas already from the cold reception at the Dalish camp.



To my DE, blight/darkspawn was a problem unleashed by the humans.

It caused his separation from his clan(the only family he has), it caused the death of his best friend. It threatens his people.



The humans destroyed his homeland(twice), destroyed his culture, enslave and mistreat his people for hundreds of years (and still do), and did many many other terrible things.



Now, this human grey warden uses the cure to my sickness (a sickness that is from a disease unleashed by the humans) as the reason to conscript me and make me fight to protect humans? Excuse me while I go WTF~!

[Mlai00]

**Finished Jarvia quest...



Leske, you imbecile! Why couldn't you have a bit more faith in meeeee~!!!?



**Actually feels a little guilty about tricking Morrigan now. Maybe I'll go see Flemeth again.

[mousestalker]

Mlai00 wrote...

**Finished Jarvia quest...

Leske, you imbecile! Why couldn't you have a bit more faith in meeeee~!!!?

**Actually feels a little guilty about tricking Morrigan now. Maybe I'll go see Flemeth again.

Leske broke my heart in my DC's play through as well. I really thought he'd switch sides, but he picked the wrong time to stay loyal. Stupid duster...

[Sarah1281]

Leske broke my heart in my DC's play through as well. I really thought he'd switch sides, but he picked the wrong time to stay loyal. Stupid duster...

I get that he was afraid of getting on Jarvia's bad side when she was the biggest power in Dust Town, I really do. What I want to know is why he KEPT attacking me after he was the only non-party member still alive in the entire base? Moron.