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[Massadonious1]

My female Dwarf Noble is pretty badass.



And to be honest, that origin seems much more intriguing than just being the 3rd Aeducan brother.

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

How much more chivalrous can one be than Alistair at end game when in a romance with the female PC? And he doesn't even have to be in love with her still, only to once have loved her! He's very chivalrous, he just doesn't feel the need to take over things she's perfectly capable of doing for herself. She's a warrior. Pushing her aside in the name of protecting her would be insulting, not chivalrous.

Quite right. Chivalry is about helping a woman doing things, not preventing her from doing things because you feel less manly if she is capable herself IMO.

[Axekix]

Gilsa wrote...

What a fun thread! I loved reading everyone's responses! Axekix, kudos for starting such a brave topic. It is obvious how much thought you've put into your post and how open you are to feedback. I'll contribute my thoughts on your original post:

Thanks!  I'm always up for a good debate.  TBH I expected to get a lot more flames than anything else, haha.

1) Re: Alistair being wussy to a female -- it's funny you say that because I actually thought Alistair seemed wussier to my male PCs than to my female PCs. I didn't find his attempts at humor as charming on the male PCs. The way he acts to my female PCs is just like Xander from Buffy, the Vampire Slayer (I read somewhere that he is inspired by Xander and by Malcom from Firefly). Xander is the least powerful person on the show, but he's got a lot of heart, has a lot of witty lines, and tries so hard to help out. It's the thought that counts. On my male characters, I just wanted Alistair to get to the point rather than waste that extra time deflecting the issue with humor. I thought it was very amusing to see you had the opposite perspective, heh. Plus I don't think I thought any less of Alistair because my first character was a dwarf noble and she was trained to be a commander in addition to being in line for the throne. Her responsibilies were greater than Alistair who, at the time, was just an average soldier who was taking orders from Duncan and going with the flow. I knew it was gameplay mechanics that had him deferring to me so it just didn't set off any "this is not a manly man" alarm bells for me. He did seem to take all the emotional risks in the romance, setting himself up for rejection, so it really balanced out. I feel like I have to work somewhat harder with Zevran, that I have to be the dominant person in the relationship to get something out of him, but at the same time, he's assertive with his opinons in regular gameplay. Just a matter of perspective.

2) Sten's size wasn't an issue for me. I liked his short and curt answers. Something about it just made me feel like he was being straight up with me. Plus I viewed my dwarf as an Amazon and didn't even feel like he was really a threat. Leaving aside the arguments about the strengths of RL women, this was a fantasy  game and I feel that dwarves are just tougher than humans and elves. We're made of sturdy stuff, have a high tolerance for alcohol, and have the best craftsmanship and the best experience in fighting darkspawn. Sten really wasn't a concern for me.

Actually I've never played a dwarf origin... ever!  So this is a completely different perspective for me.  Interesting read.   A dwarven noble woman somehow seems much more believable to me in those roles.  I'd roll one if it wasn't for the weird looking arms...

3) The proposal -- I actually prefer that the HNF forces herself on Alistair to get married. I would have felt very cheated if Alistair proposed on his own to the human, but not to my dwarves (or elves). Really, why should Alistair love a human more than the rest of us who are equally as sexy and kickass? I don't mind that the HNF gets the marriage because the feudal system makes perfect sense. If he's going to propose to the woman he loves, it shouldn't matter what her race is, dammit! =p (Hell, if I could be queen of Orzammar, I'd tell the dwarven people to stuff it and ask Alistair to be my king.)

Really?  I wasn't expecting that.  But when you explain it that way it does make sense.  I was equating him proposing with him "manning-up" for a change and taking the initiative, but since I haven't played that part I can only base that on hearsay.

I'm a little vague on his reasoning as to why he doesn't propose to the HNF however.  Is it because of his self doubts or more his duty to the throne?  Or something else?

5) Don't feel like you have to romance Alistair or Zevran or Leliana to enjoy a female character. I think sometimes the romances can detract from the overall direction of the story. If your character wasn't in love with Alistair, would she still say yes to the dark ritual? That's kind of why I thought Awakening was a fresh breath of air -- it was time to see what your character was really made of! I enjoyed my dwarf commoner for this very reason. Nothing between her and that archdemon!

True... but my HNF is way too cute to not have someone to bunk with!

[Efesell]

Axekix wrote...

I'm a little vague on his reasoning as to why he doesn't propose to the HNF however.  Is it because of his self doubts or more his duty to the throne?  Or something else?

I always assumed it had something to do with how there could be no heir in this scenario.

[Gilsa]

Axekix wrote...

Actually I've never played a dwarf  origin... ever!  So this is a completely different perspective for me.   Interesting read.   A dwarven noble woman somehow seems much more believable to me in those roles.  I'd roll one if it wasn't for the weird looking arms...

Yeah, that's a common complaint. I  actually don't notice them because the heavy armor covers them up and a  lot of the time is devoted to cut-scenes from the chest up. Plus in  combat or running, the arms are bent. So this is not a glaring feature.  If you have a hard time enjoying dwarves, this feature will stand out  more anyway. Try out both the noble and commoner origin once. No need to go past that. You will start to understand how much combat is valued in both roles. The noble can participate in Provings to beat other  combatants and prove his/her worth. You get the idea that you are a big deal just by walking around. In the commoner origin, you are a  thug that has to beat people up for the local crimelord. The commoner  has the best "Duncan" reaction of any origin I've seen. Duncan picks the commoner SPECIFICALLY because of the duster's prowess and skills. I  have a harder time playing elves and humans after the dwarves because  the elves feel like dainty toothpicks and I've only played the human  once and didn't really feel that she was anything special. The HN origin did feel a little self-absorbed with the petty political drama, that the Blight was a mere footnote while for the dwarves, it affected them more profoundly since they're so invested in the darkspawn.

I'm a little vague on his reasoning as to why he doesn't propose to the HNF however.  Is it because of his self doubts or more his duty to the throne?  Or something else?

The heir issue is the default reason for all races, but from my fuzzy memory, Alistair does address the HNF's proposal. Something about expressing relief that he gets to marry the woman he loves and saves him the trouble of asking later. Don't quote me on that, but that's the gist I got.

True... but my HNF is way too cute to not have someone to bunk with!

Heh, I'm going to have to make a human mage just so I can have an Alistair romance that does survive to  the end. My poor heartbroken commander dwarf saw the stragetic value in acquiring a renown general in the Grey Warden ranks and lost Alistair as collateral damage. (By the time the PC realizes that Alistair is making it a "it's him or me" situation, there's no way to still kill Loghain and give the crown to Anora. Have to make Alistair king or else and that was a bad reason to want the throne.) Someday I will find the drunk in a bar somewhere and make him rejoin! Somehow!

Modifié par Gilsa, 26 mars 2010 - 08:15 .

[sami jo]

I realize that a number of the men on this thread, and off line as well, just can't imagine a much smaller woman kicking their butts. I'll grant you that it doesn't often happen; but I am 5' tall and barely 100 lbs and I have taken down men (yes, plural) more than a foot taller than I am and well over twice my weight. I don't have some wild strength potion, I'm agile and I know what I'm doing.

HNF has fought her way through Howe's forces, DNF survived a nifty stint in the Deep Roads and was suppose to be taking charge of troops, DNF has been scrapping away in a gang to survive, DEF is on patrol as a hunter and fights off darkspawn before she ever even gets to Ostagar, CEF may well have killed her way through an arl's estate, and all mages may be physically weak but they can do pretty amazing amounts of damage. All of this before you even arrive at Ostagar where you then get to fight your way through mobs of darkspawn. So no, my female characters aren't particularly intimidated by Sten (or much of anything else or they wouldn't have made it far enough to meet him.)

A tough female isn't even all that unusual in this world. Look at the composition of your party. Do your male PCs take extra care of your female NPCs? Ser Cauthrian is probably the most difficult fight in the game, and she is definitely not a man.

Honestly, I have a hard time playing a female PC or an elf as a warrior. The body types just don't look right, and I don't like wielding a sword that is bigger than I am. My rogues do a scary amount of damage, though; and never get hit; and my itty-bitty female elf mage was frighteningly destructive. No wonder they lock mages up.

As for romance, Allistair is sweet. He doesn't really appeal to me because he seems so very young. I don't want to play mom, but I understand the appeal to the Ali-fans. Zev takes some effort as a friend or a romance, but there is a lot of depth there if you are patient. I'd recommend taking every NPC to the fade at if you haven't, but his fade dream is particularly telling. And there is always Lelianna if you enjoyed her romance.

[mousestalker]

Axekix wrote...
Scared?  I'd say it's being cautious/prudent more so than being scared, personally.  Can you honestly say you wouldn't have any reservations at all in recruiting him?

Having fought an Ogre, with 3 other teamates, isn't really the same thing as sleeping a few feet away from someone who has killed in cold blood.  Taking someone into your camp is a huge leap of faith considering how vulnerable that makes you.  His size and experience only make him that much more dangerous imo. 

I agree. If I were one of the companions, I would be very nervous about bedding down at night anywhere near by my CEF rogue. By the time her origin finished she had massacred a palace full of armed and trained men. When Alistair used his 'Princess Stabbity' line on her in Lothering, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. All I could think was "Alistair, you have no idea." My CE may lack political or romantic confidence, but after the origin she never lacked confidence in her ability to kill.

Sten was an easy decision. He's depressed, disposable (in his eyes) and huge. An armed elf sticks out like a sore thumb in Ferelden, so there was no hope of anonymity anyway. So having a 7' tall enforcer type glowering in the background could only be good for intimidation purposes. And in his personal quest his presence helps a great deal.

Modifié par mousestalker, 26 mars 2010 - 10:35 .

[MutantSpleen]

As a female I really don't even try making male PCs I just can't get into them. So I can see where your coming from.



If you actually want to play a female to the end though, the female dwarf noble is a great story, as others have said. I don't know why they screwed up the female dwarf arms so bad but wearing massive armor really helps you not notice. I couldn't play as a dwarf commoner rogue because it seems really noticeable in leather armor. (I so wish someone would mod new arms for the female dwarfs.)



As for romance, they are all great for the female. I enjoyed them all. Zevran is great, give him a chance he really grows on you and becomes really sweet and much deeper than a casual affair at the end.



As for Morrigan you can become friends with her, shes not my favorite character though so I never do much with her. (I like cynical and sarcastic as much as the next but she acts like she wants to just kick puppies for the fun of it, its like she is trying too hard to be a negative ass about everything.)

[sylvanaerie]

mousestalker wrote...

Axekix wrote...
Scared?  I'd say it's being cautious/prudent more so than being scared, personally.  Can you honestly say you wouldn't have any reservations at all in recruiting him?

Having fought an Ogre, with 3 other teamates, isn't really the same thing as sleeping a few feet away from someone who has killed in cold blood.  Taking someone into your camp is a huge leap of faith considering how vulnerable that makes you.  His size and experience only make him that much more dangerous imo. 

I agree. If I were one of the companions, I would be very nervous about bedding down at night anywhere near by CEF rogue. By the time her origin finished she had massacred a palace full of armed and trained men. When Alistair used his 'Princess Stabbity' line on her in Lothering, I nearly fell out of my chair laughing. All I could think was "Alistair, you have no idea." My CE may lack political or romantic confidence, but after the origin she never lacked confidence in her ability to kill.

Sten was an easy decision. He's depressed, disposable (in his eyes) and huge. An armed elf sticks out like a sore thumb in Ferelden, so there was no hope of anonymity anyway. So having a 7' tall enforcer type glowering in the background could only be good for intimidation purposes. And in his personal quest his presence helps a great deal.

hehe I love that line "Sten rip off his arms"

[Sabriana]

I have never been able to take a male PC to any game conclusion, I get so very bored with them, so I understand where you are coming from, OP. I even lost sight of my male PC once in a melee free-for-all.

However, in DA:O I do have one sole male PC. He is a dalish, and so far he's interesting. Mostly because I want to experience the Morrigan romance, and she is quite intriguing for a male PC who wants to get it on with her. I do not play him exclusively, but as of yet, he's not completely on ice, I devote maybe an hour or so to him, the bulk goes to my femWarden mage, who is awesome.

So perhaps that might be an idea, to play your femWarden a little at a time, and have your regular maleWarden play-through as well.

As for Sten, believe me, size does not matter. I have a friend who is about the size of Sami Jo, and she scares men twice her size. She's a martial arts specialist, and really quick. Do remember that Asian males are usually smaller than other races, but would you really challenge a Bruce Lee type? I wouldn't, I rather deal with Sten. Big and bulky men usually don't move fast enough for a woman trained in self-defense.

[roundcrow]

IRL I have done a full contact martial art for about ten years, and I've given birth. Childbirth is WAY worse than combat, even when you break multiple bones and tear multiple ligaments.



Over time, I've seen that in order to be successful in their judo life men and women have to undergo an attitude shift when they decide to get serious about it. Men have to realize they're not invincible and that their manhood is not destroyed by defeat (I enjoy teaching this ). Women have to learn that, despite some size and strength disparities, they've been sold a bill of goods about what they can do.



FWIW, I don't think male characters would have much of a chance against Sten either.

[HoonDing]

Sabriana wrote...

As for Sten, believe me, size does not matter. I have a friend who is about the size of Sami Jo, and she scares men twice her size. She's a martial arts specialist, and really quick. Do remember that Asian males are usually smaller than other races, but would you really challenge a Bruce Lee type? I wouldn't, I rather deal with Sten. Big and bulky men usually don't move fast enough for a woman trained in self-defense.

Well... at least it would be easier to run away from Sten than Bruce Lee. 

sami jo wrote...

I realize that a number of the men on this thread, and off line as well, just can't imagine a much smaller woman kicking their butts. I'll grant you that it doesn't often happen; but I am 5' tall and barely 100 lbs and I have taken down men (yes, plural) more than a foot taller than I am and well over twice my weight. I don't have some wild strength potion, I'm agile and I know what I'm doing.

That's why I like how some older SSI RPGs, rather than giving men & women exactly the same attributes, gave men a strength bonus & women a dexterity bonus. It added to realism.

[Allattar1]

My favourite moment with my newer character, HNF, was in the circle tower.



We heard a sound and whimpering, and opened a cupboard to find some wimpy male mage sobbing hoping the demons wouldn't get him...

Screen panned round to my Human Noble, Morrigan, Wynne and Lelliana looking less than impressed...

[HaloKT]

Xandurpein wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

How much more chivalrous can one be than Alistair at end game when in a romance with the female PC? And he doesn't even have to be in love with her still, only to once have loved her! He's very chivalrous, he just doesn't feel the need to take over things she's perfectly capable of doing for herself. She's a warrior. Pushing her aside in the name of protecting her would be insulting, not chivalrous.

Quite right. Chivalry is about helping a woman doing things, not preventing her from doing things because you feel less manly if she is capable herself IMO.

Yeah, he does respect you a great deal. Which is nice in a way. But sometimes I think he depends a bit too much on me. I'm not really the mother type in relationships. I need strong partners who think and act for themselves. Even if a little admiration here and there will be appreciated :innocent:
Anyway, I'll try to harden him tonight, maybe he's not as childish anymore then. Still, it did break my heart when Alistair was telling me how Leli looks at me, and how she's so sad when I'm not around. Now I hate myself for going for the "marry Alistair" ending instead of getting together with her again

And as for the topic, I never had a problem as a female Warden. And with my HNF? Quite the contrary experience to the thread starter! Every NPC you speak to mentions how great and capable of a fighter you are. The most memorable being the conversation with your mother and Lady Wossname, where Dairren (?) mentions how beautiful you are and your mother retorts that he says that while you're all sweaty from defeating several men in armed combat. And how everyone says that while your skills in combat would make you the perfect choice for going to war, your duties are to manage and defend your family's estates. So in a way you're really a lot better than your brother, not only besting men in combat, but also handling the entire household. If that isn't impressive then what is?
As a Dwarven noble? An acknowledged warrior being made commander of Orzammar? How is that for martial skills? Dalish Elf? A hunter and defender of your clan?

Playing a female Warden is extremely empowering IMO. YMMV, but I'm impressed.

The only thing that does let me down are some origins themselves. Like the Dalish origin for example. I don't even know who this Tamlen is, or why he's so important that the Keeper is willing to sacrifice several other Dalish just to try and rescue him on what borders on a suicide mission. I never felt a close connection tot he clan either, and when you finally go and visit the Dalish in the main plot, it's another clan and no one knows you. Talk about a huge letdown.
Or the Mage origin... I don't care about Jowan or Lily. It's said that we're friends, but I don't really know why or what made us such close friends. The family background in the HN oigin was much better done, and I almost have to cry every time I play through the CE origin...
Plus I'd have loved it if you had the choice between Dalish and Circle as an Elf Mage. Considering that the Keepers are "apostates", you should've been given the chance to be a Dalish Keeper-in-training as an Elf mage.

[Xandurpein]

HaloKT wrote...

Plus I'd have loved it if you had the choice between Dalish and Circle as an Elf Mage. Considering that the Keepers are "apostates", you should've been given the chance to be a Dalish Keeper-in-training as an Elf mage.

I think the reason you can only begin your Orgin as circle mage is because the Circle orgin defines so much of the whole relationship people have to magic in Fereldan. It explains so much about the society, templars, apostates and magic. Anyone who plays a Mage, even someone who wants to have nothing to do with the Circle ought to have experienced it to understand.

[Spinnazie]

I'm not gonna write up some TLDR post as to why I think the OP is wrong.



Personally, Bioware did the best they've done in their games so far telling the story from a female perspective with DA:O.

[HaloKT]

Xandurpein wrote...

I think the reason you can only begin your Orgin as circle mage is because the Circle orgin defines so much of the whole relationship people have to magic in Fereldan. It explains so much about the society, templars, apostates and magic. Anyone who plays a Mage, even someone who wants to have nothing to do with the Circle ought to have experienced it to understand.

Well, I disagree. I would've loved to have a more spiritual background on the Dalish. And then there'd be the huge emotional impact, since you'd be the clan's next spiritual leader. I would've enjoyed that.

Coming to think of it, I might start an Elven Mage who sets out to become a Kepper herself...

[Nhadalie]

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

In no way, do I try belittle women. I know what you girls do is amazing, especially putting up with our crap. I just get kind of, I don't know how to put it, itchy when it comes to prowess.

*Spoilers*

Even if you are a male or female, Sten is really more of a tactical decision. I mean if he does report back to the Quinari you have possible war between the two states, thus either way Sten is a threat to the male or female. I guess you would have to go with which person is more cunning/ at the time of recruiting Sten. Do you either kill Sten, or allow him to start a war... In terms of the scene in Lothering, I would allow Sten to escape regardless because that is just cruel to allow him to starve to death, or die a horrible death by being food for the darkspawn.

Good. Therefore you're a nice guy.

Honestly, I don't see any of my characters worrying about the Qunari taking over. The Qunari are still far to the north, and haven't managed to take over Tevinter yet. It'll be awhile before they work their way down to Fereldan.



On the girly side of things, all of you people are making me want to make a guy character based on Nathaniel. Cause.. Er. He's my current favorite guy character to fangirl over.

And I agree about what some of the other women have said. I tend to make my guy characters as being attractive to me too. (Though I do have a HNM that I made to be quite the womanizer. But that was more for giggles than anything else.)

[mousestalker]

HaloKT wrote...

Xandurpein wrote...

I think the reason you can only begin your Orgin as circle mage is because the Circle orgin defines so much of the whole relationship people have to magic in Fereldan. It explains so much about the society, templars, apostates and magic. Anyone who plays a Mage, even someone who wants to have nothing to do with the Circle ought to have experienced it to understand.

Well, I disagree. I would've loved to have a more spiritual background on the Dalish. And then there'd be the huge emotional impact, since you'd be the clan's next spiritual leader. I would've enjoyed that.

Coming to think of it, I might start an Elven Mage who sets out to become a Kepper herself...

Which is doable. There is that bit of discussion with the elven apprentice in the origin story. You can both discuss your desire to learn more of the old language.

A Keeper origin would be great for DA:2. We can only hope, right?

[mousestalker]

Nhadalie wrote...


And I agree about what some of the other women have said. I tend to make my guy characters as being attractive to me too. (Though I do have a HNM that I made to be quite the womanizer. But that was more for giggles than anything else.)

Me too! My HMN character tried to sleep his way across Ferelden. I'm not sure if I want to try to figure out what that says about me.

[Nhadalie]

mousestalker wrote...

Nhadalie wrote...


And I agree about what some of the other women have said. I tend to make my guy characters as being attractive to me too. (Though I do have a HNM that I made to be quite the womanizer. But that was more for giggles than anything else.)

Me too! My HMN character tried to sleep his way across Ferelden. I'm not sure if I want to try to figure out what that says about me.

But the HN origin is so funny when you play it as a man-****. 

Fergus: Someday, you'll find yourself a woman.

HNM: No less than 3 please.

Fergus: Not just some roll in the hay. A woman that you actually want more than that with.

Too bad there isn't a "No way! That's impossible!" reaction to that. Or something really overdramatic. But then, I haven't played Caedin past that point yet. Somehow telling Fergus that you have someone waiting for you makes more sense as a male too. I can't really see a brother and sister having that close of a relationship that she'd tell him when she was sleeping with someone. Though his reaction to the HNF is amusing too, in a "I'll hurt him if he even thinks about hurting you." sort of way.

[ejoslin]

Nhadalie wrote...


But the HN origin is so funny when you play it as a man-****. 

Fergus: Someday, you'll find yourself a woman.

HNM: No less than 3 please.

Fergus: Not just some roll in the hay. A woman that you actually want more than that with.

Too bad there isn't a "No way! That's impossible!" reaction to that. Or something really overdramatic. But then, I haven't played Caedin past that point yet. Somehow telling Fergus that you have someone waiting for you makes more sense as a male too. I can't really see a brother and sister having that close of a relationship that she'd tell him when she was sleeping with someone. Though his reaction to the HNF is amusing too, in a "I'll hurt him if he even thinks about hurting you." sort of way.

HNF gets that too, the line about 3 men, except Oriana lectures her about not getting caught! 

Edit: yes, yes, I did.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 mars 2010 - 02:29 .

[Nhadalie]

ejoslin wrote...
HNF gets that too, the line about 3 men, except Fergus calls her a saucy minx  and his wife lectures her about not getting caught! 

Yeah. Oriana is worried about her reputation. Which is funny, because I so didn't mean it the way they took it when they said it.(I meant it in more of a "3 different guys vying for her attention and trying to court her" type thing.)


But back on topic. I'm glad that everyone mentioned the dwarven and elven female characters. Personally, it always seemed more likely to me that the DN origin was female. I mean.. How likely is it that Endrin would have 3 sons as his only children? Not to mention how many obstacles the DNF has to overcome with Dwarven society. (The only female "warriors" in Dwarven society really are the silent sisters. There are the occasional ones beyond the group. But I always got the feeling that if you weren't a silent sister, the dwarven people wouldn't take you entirely seriously.) But then, I played my DNF as an intelligent diplomat, who occasionally liked surprising the Assembly and other nobles.(In my mind, no one really thought of her as a warrior. So when she showed up to the meeting with her father and the other nobles in heavy armor, jaws dropped.)

The CEF is just badass. There's no way around it. She suffers through a very traumatic event, seeing one of her friends killed infront of her and her other friends and her cousin being taken away to be raped. Then she goes around slaughtering all of the humans in a rage, until she suffers another traumatic event of her fiance being killed before her eyes when he was coming to save her. All in all, I think the CEF is much more emotional and gripping of an origin than the CEM.

[DWSmiley]

sami jo wrote...

I realize that a number of the men on this thread, and off line as well, just can't imagine a much smaller woman kicking their butts. I'll grant you that it doesn't often happen; but I am 5' tall and barely 100 lbs and I have taken down men (yes, plural) more than a foot taller than I am and well over twice my weight. I don't have some wild strength potion, I'm agile and I know what I'm doing.
HNF has fought her way through Howe's forces, DNF survived a nifty stint in the Deep Roads and was suppose to be taking charge of troops, DNF has been scrapping away in a gang to survive, DEF is on patrol as a hunter and fights off darkspawn before she ever even gets to Ostagar, CEF may well have killed her way through an arl's estate, and all mages may be physically weak but they can do pretty amazing amounts of damage. All of this before you even arrive at Ostagar where you then get to fight your way through mobs of darkspawn. So no, my female characters aren't particularly intimidated by Sten (or much of anything else or they wouldn't have made it far enough to meet him.)
A tough female isn't even all that unusual in this world. Look at the composition of your party. Do your male PCs take extra care of your female NPCs? Ser Cauthrian is probably the most difficult fight in the game, and she is definitely not a man.
Honestly, I have a hard time playing a female PC or an elf as a warrior. The body types just don't look right, and I don't like wielding a sword that is bigger than I am. My rogues do a scary amount of damage, though; and never get hit; and my itty-bitty female elf mage was frighteningly destructive. No wonder they lock mages up.
As for romance, Allistair is sweet. He doesn't really appeal to me because he seems so very young. I don't want to play mom, but I understand the appeal to the Ali-fans. Zev takes some effort as a friend or a romance, but there is a lot of depth there if you are patient. I'd recommend taking every NPC to the fade at if you haven't, but his fade dream is particularly telling. And there is always Lelianna if you enjoyed her romance.

I totally agree that a small and agile person can be as deadly as anyone but this does touch on the one restriction I can't get past when choosing male or female.  My warrior wardens have to be male with sword-and-shield or (even more) two-handed weaopns, .  It's just too much disbelief to suspend to think that a smaller person can reach heroic status.  Big and skilled beats small and skilled every time with those weapons.  I wish they had made Ser Cauthrien a dual weapon warrior instead.

BTW, some other forums discussed whether there is any chance to persuade Ser Cauthrien to back down at the Landsmeet if you didn't surrender to her earlier (which I never do).  Master coercion is not enough but it can be done.  My last warden did it with improved coercion and cunning @ 75.  It takes about three persuades but it's very touching when she finally drops to her knees and sobs out an admission that, yes, her idol has gone too far and needs to be stopped.

[HaloKT]

Yeah, it's absolutely possible - even as a very skinny girl - to fare reasonably well against blokes. And I share yopur thoughts about huge 2H weapons on (human) women. Just doesn't fit somehow. A staff-like weapon or spear, absolutely. A 2H axe or hammer? Less likely IMO. Those are bruteforce weapons, you do have to have a lot of muscle to make them work.

Still, I think SnB works out fine with human females. But then again, there is a certain amount of swooning over Cauthrien on my part, soooo... I might be waaaay off there

Edit:
Fergus also calls you a saucy minx if you just happen to invite Iona over for... a nice cup of tea and some biscuits *puts on very sincere look*

Aand another edit! My CEF Rogue has Master Coercion and around 40ish  Cunning, and I managed to sway Cauthrien over to letting me pass without a fight. It was indeed quite touching, with her losing all her beliefs in her idol and hero.

Modifié par HaloKT, 26 mars 2010 - 02:59 .