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[Suron]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is non-canon herself. 

Um... MALE Shep isn't canon either.  He's just DEFAULT.  There's a difference.

Shepard HAS no canon gender, background, or romance.  Shepard is just a LtCdr/N7 in the Alliance Navy, a Spectre, saved the Citadel, died, was recovered by Liara for Cerberus, and came back.  That's it.

Whatever you say, champ.

I find it hard to believe that....Sheploo is all over everything....and this (they had to put a face on him..BUT IT'S NOT CANON) I find rather stupid.

unless BioWare SAYS Sheploo isn't the "canon" Shepard...it's stupid to think otherwise.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Default Shep = Removal of characters that wouldn't make sense to new players of ME 2, IE Wrex, the Rachni etc. Default =/=  canon

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 26 mars 2010 - 03:53 .

[ladyshara]

Uh, going back to the OP...I wonder... If you use this person's save games does ME2 freak out when you try to import it? Hmmmm.

[SimonTheFrog]

ladyshara wrote...

Uh, going back to the OP...I wonder... If you use this person's save games does ME2 freak out when you try to import it? Hmmmm.

ME2 just works fine... you get the ash-hug as femShep. Dunno about ME3, though, obviously.

[JaylaClark]

Suron wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is non-canon herself. 

Um... MALE Shep isn't canon either.  He's just DEFAULT.  There's a difference.

Shepard HAS no canon gender, background, or romance.  Shepard is just a LtCdr/N7 in the Alliance Navy, a Spectre, saved the Citadel, died, was recovered by Liara for Cerberus, and came back.  That's it.

Whatever you say, champ.

I find it hard to believe that....Sheploo is all over everything....and this (they had to put a face on him..BUT IT'S NOT CANON) I find rather stupid.

unless BioWare SAYS Sheploo isn't the "canon" Shepard...it's stupid to think otherwise.

In Redemption, I am told, the gender of Shepard never comes up.  Always 'Shepard', 'Commander', 'your friend', not a single gender-specific pronoun.  And this post on the Talk page of Cdr Shepard sums it up:

The hero of Mass Effect is Commander Shepard. Whether Shepard is male or
female, what Shepard looks like and how Shepard acts is up to the
individual player. Default is not the same as canon. Locking Shepard or
the story down to an absolute canon defeats the object of having so much
player choice in-game in the first place. And, as everyone's Shepard is
different, saying the main character is John Shepard will be inaccurate
for the vast majority of players. If nothing else, a wiki should be as
accurate as possible. That's why the guideline for this wiki is to write
Shepard as gender-neutral. --Tullis 05:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

[Suron]

JaylaClark wrote...

Suron wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is non-canon herself. 

Um... MALE Shep isn't canon either.  He's just DEFAULT.  There's a difference.

Shepard HAS no canon gender, background, or romance.  Shepard is just a LtCdr/N7 in the Alliance Navy, a Spectre, saved the Citadel, died, was recovered by Liara for Cerberus, and came back.  That's it.

Whatever you say, champ.

I find it hard to believe that....Sheploo is all over everything....and this (they had to put a face on him..BUT IT'S NOT CANON) I find rather stupid.

unless BioWare SAYS Sheploo isn't the "canon" Shepard...it's stupid to think otherwise.

In Redemption, I am told, the gender of Shepard never comes up.  Always 'Shepard', 'Commander', 'your friend', not a single gender-specific pronoun.  And this post on the Talk page of Cdr Shepard sums it up:

The hero of Mass Effect is Commander Shepard. Whether Shepard is male or
female, what Shepard looks like and how Shepard acts is up to the
individual player. Default is not the same as canon. Locking Shepard or
the story down to an absolute canon defeats the object of having so much
player choice in-game in the first place. And, as everyone's Shepard is
different, saying the main character is John Shepard will be inaccurate
for the vast majority of players. If nothing else, a wiki should be as
accurate as possible. That's why the guideline for this wiki is to write
Shepard as gender-neutral. --Tullis 05:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

look at your ME1 case and ME2 case (or look them up online if you don't have one or the other)

watch some trailers for ME1 and ME2

check out the cgi movies..

check out the website with the interaction "collector invasion" thing they got new.

who do you see?

exactly...quote all you want....until BioWare comes out and says Sheploo isn't canon....keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Modifié par Suron, 26 mars 2010 - 04:02 .

[CmdrFenix83]

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is non-canon herself. 

Um... MALE Shep isn't canon either.  He's just DEFAULT.  There's a difference.

Shepard HAS no canon gender, background, or romance.  Shepard is just a LtCdr/N7 in the Alliance Navy, a Spectre, saved the Citadel, died, was recovered by Liara for Cerberus, and came back.  That's it.

Whatever you say, champ.

Okay, no emotes so I'll just have to take the words as 'dismissive' and 'acting like I know nothing'.

Should I look up the quotes and sources for the Mass Effect Wiki page for Commander Shepard?  (Which incidentally has default Jane Shepard next to default John Shepard at the top of the page?)  Or, should I just say 'you're mighty brave in cyberspace, flameboy'?  I can't decide.

Wiki's are modified by the public.  They can have absolutely anything on them, and could even be edited on a whim temporarily until someone fixes it. 

I'll repeat what I said above.  "Why.  Do.  You.  Care?"  Seriously?  Why do you care if your Shepard isn't canon?  I have 9 Shepards, none of them are canon.  I wouldn't *want* my Shepard to be canon.  I want them to be *my* characters.  Again, why do you care?

[ladyshara]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

ladyshara wrote...

Uh, going back to the OP...I wonder... If you use this person's save games does ME2 freak out when you try to import it? Hmmmm.

ME2 just works fine... you get the ash-hug as femShep. Dunno about ME3, though, obviously.

Yay. I so have to try this. Squeee.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Suron wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

Suron wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is non-canon herself. 

Um... MALE Shep isn't canon either.  He's just DEFAULT.  There's a difference.

Shepard HAS no canon gender, background, or romance.  Shepard is just a LtCdr/N7 in the Alliance Navy, a Spectre, saved the Citadel, died, was recovered by Liara for Cerberus, and came back.  That's it.

Whatever you say, champ.

I find it hard to believe that....Sheploo is all over everything....and this (they had to put a face on him..BUT IT'S NOT CANON) I find rather stupid.

unless BioWare SAYS Sheploo isn't the "canon" Shepard...it's stupid to think otherwise.

In Redemption, I am told, the gender of Shepard never comes up.  Always 'Shepard', 'Commander', 'your friend', not a single gender-specific pronoun.  And this post on the Talk page of Cdr Shepard sums it up:

The hero of Mass Effect is Commander Shepard. Whether Shepard is male or
female, what Shepard looks like and how Shepard acts is up to the
individual player. Default is not the same as canon. Locking Shepard or
the story down to an absolute canon defeats the object of having so much
player choice in-game in the first place. And, as everyone's Shepard is
different, saying the main character is John Shepard will be inaccurate
for the vast majority of players. If nothing else, a wiki should be as
accurate as possible. That's why the guideline for this wiki is to write
Shepard as gender-neutral. --Tullis 05:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

look at your ME1 case and ME2 case (or look them up online if you don't have one or the other)

watch some trailers for ME1 and ME2

who do you see?

exactly...quote all you want....until BioWare comes out and says Sheploo isn't canon....keep telling yourself that.

The back of my ME 1 case has Femshep

[Suron]

^wow..ONE pic changes it...because the entire add campaign, trailers, cgi crap, websites show Sheploo



like I said..till Bio says it...it's stupid not to think Sheploo is canon.

[Morgalne]

Shepard is a hermaphrodite! Ta Da!

[InvaderErl]

Morgalne wrote...

Shepard is a hermaphrodite! Ta Da!

HAWT.

[jlb524]

Suron wrote...

^wow..ONE pic changes it...because the entire add campaign, trailers, cgi crap, websites show Sheploo

like I said..till Bio says it...it's stupid not to think Sheploo is canon.

BW has said this.  There have been dev quotes on the old forum.   I'm totally not going to dig these up.  They've said he's the 'default' and marketing version but not canon.  Jane Shepard is the 'default' FemShep.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well the add campaign talked about fighting for the Lost, yet in the game there is no mention of going back to the Island and rescuing Claire, Daniel, Juliet and Sawyer.

[JaylaClark]

(EDIT -- that's why I'm here, jlb, to dig stuff up )

This is kind of frustrating, I found someone quoting 'from a DEV' in the original forum, but I'm not sure who Matt Fisher is so I'm not sure what signifigance this has:  (Permalink)

Quote: Posted:
Tuesday, 08 December 2009 09:21AM by Matthew W Fisher
"Cannonical"
is really a bad word for it. Cannonical implies that "this is the way it
really happened." The way it really happened was the way you played it -
a lot of trouble has gone into making sure the supplementary stuff
(novels, comics, etc) doesn't conflict with any possible playthrough.

A
better term would be "default." Default Shepard made whatever choices
in the first game that make it easiest to follow the plot if you didn't
play ME1. So, essentially, default Shepard didn't run around meeting a
lot of people in the first game whose previous interactions we'd have to
explain in an awkward fashion in ME2 (as in, Shepard should know who
they are but the player won't) and picked a lot of default dialog
options.

Modifié par JaylaClark, 26 mars 2010 - 04:09 .

[Ashwraith]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well the add campaign talked about fighting for the Lost, yet in the game there is no mention of going back to the Island and rescuing Claire, Daniel, Juliet and Sawyer.

Win, my friend.
Win.

Now every time I visit Aeia, I'm going to be expecting polar bears.

[JaylaClark]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Default is the word that I have been using lately.

Good word.  I prefer to think of two default Shepards, but I'll admit they use just Sheploo in the ads, so I'll go with the term 'primary default Shepard' for him.

[CmdrFenix83]

JaylaClark wrote...

<snip>

You have yet to explain why you care.  There *is* a canonical story.  It's the one they use to write the trilogy from the beginning.  Shepard was an N7 Alliance Marine, got noteworthy, obtained the vision from the Prothean beacon, became the first human Spectre, traveled to Feros, Therum, Noveria, Virmire, and Ilos before stopping Saren/Sovereign on the Citadel. 

He was then killed attempting to save Joker, obtained by the Shadow Broker to be sold to the Collectors and saved by Liara and handed over to Cerberus, who rebuild him.  He then spends an unknown timeframe(weeks, months?) collecting a team to stop the Collectors, and in the process he throws a wrench into their plans on Horizon and evades their trap on board their ship.  He eventually visits a derelict Reaper for an IFF code, the implimentation of which results in his crew being abducted by the Collectors.  Afterwards, he heads through the Omega-4 Relay and stops the Collectors, returning with new data about them.

Within that narrow timeframe, you're allowed to insert your own choices and shape things within a limited area(so far).  However, the Shepard BioWare created *is* Sheploo.  They didn't sign some contract stating that Sheploo had to be used.  They've stated flat out that they use Sheploo because they want everyone to recognize him as Shepard.  That's why Sheploo is the only Shepard you see on everything, and in every trailer and game-video.  Sheploo *is* Shepard.

Your Shepards are not canon.  Mine are not canon.  Again, I don't know why anyone would care.  Personally I wouldn't want my Shepard to be canon.  My Shepard is mine, and not BioWare's.

[Daurf815]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well the add campaign talked about fighting for the Lost, yet in the game there is no mention of going back to the Island and rescuing Claire, Daniel, Juliet and Sawyer.

DaurF815 approves     +108

[JaylaClark]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...

You have yet to explain why you care.  There *is* a canonical story.  It's the one they use to write the trilogy from the beginning.  Shepard was an N7 Alliance Marine, got noteworthy, obtained the vision from the Prothean beacon, became the first human Spectre, traveled to Feros, Therum, Noveria, Virmire, and Ilos before stopping Saren/Sovereign on the Citadel. 

He was then killed attempting to save Joker, obtained by the Shadow Broker to be sold to the Collectors and saved by Liara and handed over to Cerberus, who rebuild him.  He then spends an unknown timeframe(weeks, months?) collecting a team to stop the Collectors, and in the process he throws a wrench into their plans on Horizon and evades their trap on board their ship.  He eventually visits a derelict Reaper for an IFF code, the implimentation of which results in his crew being abducted by the Collectors.  Afterwards, he heads through the Omega-4 Relay and stops the Collectors, returning with new data about them.

Within that narrow timeframe, you're allowed to insert your own choices and shape things within a limited area(so far).  However, the Shepard BioWare created *is* Sheploo.  They didn't sign some contract stating that Sheploo had to be used.  They've stated flat out that they use Sheploo because they want everyone to recognize him as Shepard.  That's why Sheploo is the only Shepard you see on everything, and in every trailer and game-video.  Sheploo *is* Shepard.

Your Shepards are not canon.  Mine are not canon.  Again, I don't know why anyone would care.  Personally I wouldn't want my Shepard to be canon.  My Shepard is mine, and not BioWare's.

Okay, is it irrational to read this...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

JaylaClark wrote...
/self
snip

FemShep has more freedom, because FemShep is
non-canon herself. 

... and think you're putting all femSheps down?  That's what I read, and you can't call me irrational for taking offense to it, it feels like 'maleShep is real, femShep is fake'.

[JaylaClark]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The heart of this thread is the s/s material that was left in ME2 that can be accessible through game mods right?

That was my understanding.  That, plus what survives is apparently identical regardless of gender to a certain point, then femSheps don't get anything.  Not that I've exhaustively checked that fact myself.