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[pf17456]

Perhaps thee wasn't much of a planetary atmosphere to cause a burn. If you fell from the space station and landed on the moon you might not sustain that much damage since atmosphere and gravity are minimal

[Spartas Husky]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Space magic. Actually, perhaps Shepard just ended up in low orbit or something. Can a scientist of some acclaim show up to help us?

I used to be an astronomy major before switching to English, so I can help!

Technically, a body doesn't have enough mass to fall planetside unless it is traveling at a high enough velocity. Shepard probably ended up in the lower thrawls of the stratosphere and floated around the gravity well of the planet for awhile.

There you go, need no be any more to this topic.

That is a good scientific explanation. Besides that, it is all from prespective, we dont know how far his body was in comparison to the planet's size, he could have just been passin by or as Invader wrote, Shepherd stuck around in orbit.

[BurningArmor]

wolf99000 wrote...

they did not leave it to your imagination as lemonwizard said you pick up the helmet on the planet you were wearing it as you died so if that made it down your body did

The helmet found at the Normandy crash site is a non-sequiter to me.  As the scene ended, the wreckage of the ship was moving one way and Shepard was moving away at almost a 90 degree angle to it as heated gases plus air from his suit began to trail from him.  Someone would have had to carry the helmet to the Normandy  crash site.

I am curious what the actual sequence of events was in the aftermath of SR1's destruction.  Things pieced together from the story include:

1.) From discussion with Legion, we know Legion searched the wreckage for Shepard.  It is unclear if Normandy was still in low orbit at that point or on the surface of the the planet.  Either way, Legion reported getting the N7 onyx armor pieces from the Normandy.  Shepard may have had more than one set of the Onyx as it was standard Alliance issue.  Legion also reported Shepard was not there.  Whether this search was before or after Shepard was recovered is unknown.

2.) Liara seems to have tried to take Shepard's body away from agents of the Shadow Broker getting an un-named friend captured and maybe killed. 

3.) Cerberus agents apparently obtained Shepard's body; possibly from the Shadow Broker's agents.  Again no details as to where it was found, or who actually recovered it.  Per Miranda's logs, we know Shepard's body suffered massive decompression, prolonged lack of air to the brain, prolonged exposure to extreme temperatures of space, first, second, and third degree burns to much of the body.

Thoughts?

[Spartas Husky]

BurningArmor wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

they did not leave it to your imagination as lemonwizard said you pick up the helmet on the planet you were wearing it as you died so if that made it down your body did

The helmet found at the Normandy crash site is a non-sequiter to me.  As the scene ended, the wreckage of the ship was moving one way and Shepard was moving away at almost a 90 degree angle to it as heated gases plus air from his suit began to trail from him.  Someone would have had to carry the helmet to the Normandy  crash site.

I am curious what the actual sequence of events was in the aftermath of SR1's destruction.  Things pieced together from the story include:

1.) From discussion with Legion, we know Legion searched the wreckage for Shepard.  It is unclear if Normandy was still in low orbit at that point or on the surface of the the planet.  Either way, Legion reported getting the N7 onyx armor pieces from the Normandy.  Shepard may have had more than one set of the Onyx as it was standard Alliance issue.  Legion also reported Shepard was not there.  Whether this search was before or after Shepard was recovered is unknown.

2.) Liara seems to have tried to take Shepard's body away from agents of the Shadow Broker getting an un-named friend captured and maybe killed. 

3.) Cerberus agents apparently obtained Shepard's body; possibly from the Shadow Broker's agents.  Again no details as to where it was found, or who actually recovered it.  Per Miranda's logs, we know Shepard's body suffered massive decompression, prolonged lack of air to the brain, prolonged exposure to extreme temperatures of space, first, second, and third degree burns to much of the body.

Thoughts?

Like you said, he probably had more than one set of armor, we dont know if the helmet found at the crash site was the one he was wearing, and most likely the piece of armor worn by legion was not the one that shepherd was wearing, since he didn't found his body, I would be very doubtful that whoever recover his body would strip him right on the spot instead of taking him inside the w/e ship was present and taking off the armor in there.

I don't remember miranda mentioning "decompression" since that would have rip apart his brains in more pieces than the broken normandy. So duno about that though, but dont know enough to say otherwise.

[BurningArmor]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Like you said, he probably had more than one set of armor, we dont know if the helmet found at the crash site was the one he was wearing, and most likely the piece of armor worn by legion was not the one that shepherd was wearing, since he didn't found his body, I would be very doubtful that whoever recover his body would strip him right on the spot instead of taking him inside the w/e ship was present and taking off the armor in there.

I don't remember miranda mentioning "decompression" since that would have rip apart his brains in more pieces than the broken normandy. So duno about that though, but dont know enough to say otherwise.

Ok, I'll give you the fact that Miranda didn't say the word, decompression. 

In the cinematic, the three or four holes bleeding off air from Shepard's suit and Shepard thrashing around was a good sign that decompression was happening as Shepard drifted away from Normandy. Miranda's discription of injuries was specifically termed:
-...expected burns and internal injuries from the explosion...
-...significant cellular breakdown due to long term exposure to vaccuum (sounds like decompression to me) and sub-zero temperatures...
-...physical trauma.

[Xaijin]

If the decompression isn't explosive his brain would be intact, impact notwithstanding.

[Xandurpein]

The planet below need not have had any atmosphere. The Earth's moon doesn't have an atmosphere and Mars have very little atmosphere. The Moon looks all full of craters from a telescope, because there is no atmosphere to destroy even very small meteorites. No atmosphere = no friction = no burning on entry.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 26 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Xaijin]

Both scan and the mission show atmo.

[Jax Sparrow]

@ BurningArmor :  "Try" suggests Liara didn't obtain Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker.  If you ask her she says that she did in fact recover his body from the Shadow Broker.  Liara gave Cerberus Shepard's body because of Project Lazarus;  Thus, the premise of the second item is false.  The third item on your list is completely false.


And, I actually remember one of the audio clips you can play of Miranda in the station does in fact say his body suffered from exposure to some double digit number Kelvin and the vacuum of space.  However, humans only have theories on what could happen to the human body when exposed to the harsh vacuum of space.  I think there are others who would be inclined to suspend our disbelief for the two medical doctors that started BioWare, than someone on the internet that claims they know what happens to the human body in space.

Obviously the exposure to space killed him and Cerberus spent billions of credits to resurrect him.  So no one is suggesting you can actually "live" in space.  What I think they are saying is that their technology brought him back despite what did happen to him.

[BurningArmor]

Jax Sparrow wrote...

@ BurningArmor :  "Try" suggests Liara didn't obtain Shepard's body from the Shadow Broker.  If you ask her she says that she did in fact recover his body from the Shadow Broker.  Liara gave Cerberus Shepard's body because of Project Lazarus;  Thus, the premise of the second item is false.  The third item on your list is completely false.


And, I actually remember one of the audio clips you can play of Miranda in the station does in fact say his body suffered from exposure to some double digit number Kelvin and the vacuum of space.  However, humans only have theories on what could happen to the human body when exposed to the harsh vacuum of space.  I think there are others who would be inclined to suspend our disbelief for the two medical doctors that started BioWare, than someone on the internet that claims they know what happens to the human body in space.

Obviously the exposure to space killed him and Cerberus spent billions of credits to resurrect him.  So no one is suggesting you can actually "live" in space.  What I think they are saying is that their technology brought him back despite what did happen to him.

Hmmm...Paragraph 1 would explain Liara's curious response when Shepard advised her not to become the thing she hated.  It was something like, "Said the dead spectre working for Cerberus."  The information that Liara turned the body over to Cerberus definitely explained why Liara was not opening up to Shepard as Liara knew how hard Shepard had worked against Cerberus in the past.

Actually, I submit the second item is valid.  Both jobs Liara gives Shepard is based on the notion of tracking down the Shadow Broker for what the Shadow Broker agents did to her friend.  If it had been anyone other than Shepard's LI, my version of Shepard would not have done these jobs. There was just way too many renegade points in doing the hacking when one is trying to do the paragon path.  As it was, Shepard was there for Liara.

Paragraph 3: If the information on Liara turning the body over to Cerberus is true, I agree my earlier position on Cerberus getting the body from the Shadow Broker would be false.

Lastly, one of the logs from the doctor that was a mole, quoted Four Billion credits for the Lazarus Project alone.  Impressive. 

[insomniac13]

wolf99000 wrote...

My question is if you watch the intro where you die you are heading into the atmosphere of the planet so how did you not burn up I would assume if you fell and went through an atmosphere you there would be nothing left of you

take all the heat shielding on the shuttle

A wizard did it! 

[Ecael]

Real explanation: BioWare's writers, CGI animators and DLC team did not coordinate this scene properly, nor did it matter enough to redo anything. There are no actual plot holes here.

There's still a whole bunch of things that don't really make sense, and that's probably why.

Modifié par Ecael, 26 mars 2010 - 05:01 .

[SimonTheFrog]

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.



It's just another scene that is only enjoyable if you press both hands against your ears and scream lalalalalalaaaaa for as long as your mind is fumbling with all the loose ends and contradictions.



So, that's what we gonna do.



I wish BioWare would spare us a couple of those scenes... it's making my neighbors nervous (like in the time i was watching "The 4400"... nice characters but i didn't hear much through all the lalalalaaaa... pretty embarrassing too)

[SimonTheFrog]

Sorry about the double post...

Here's a picture of some okonomiyaki. The thought of Shepard hitting the planet always makes me think of that dish, not sure why...

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 26 mars 2010 - 05:31 .

[geekeffect]

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Skydivers also don't jump out of space shuttles orbiting a planet.......

Actually... YouTube: Free Fall From Space

Anyways, the issue is Shep had to be floating in space and maybe the space suit has some kind of beacon... If he had unconsiously fallen into that planet, my guess is he would make a big splat on the ground, omelet style.

[wolf99000]

I cannot go back and check this because my 360 has the red ring of death but another thing about the start the game contradicts itself because I think it is on one of the miranda logs when she says the state of the body she says it was frozen from exposure to vacuum



which also does not go with the scene where you are going into the atmosphere as you are already getting a fire trail around unless you could bounce of the atmosphere

[The Governator]

Lemonwizard wrote...

I believe it's handwaved somewhere with a casual mention that the N7 armor is just THAT good. Notice that the helmet you recover from the Normandy crash site, though beat up a little bit, is still completely intact and doesn't seem to have that much in the way of burn marks on it.

If the armor is just that good then why does Shepard take damage in battle like, at all? 

Incidentally, I believe Shepard was supposed to be in orbit and did not actually crash into the planet.

[Ahglock]

Elementary school students designed it the N7 armor. When testing N7 suits they don't test them vs bullets, they fill them with eggs and drop them off skyscrapers.

[Ahglock]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Sorry about the double post...

Here's a picture of some okonomiyaki. The thought of Shepard hitting the planet always makes me think of that dish, not sure why...

Greeat now I am hungry.  And lunch is a couple hours off. 

Edit to add.  And gall durnit no place within a reasonable drive sells it.  We have a large Japaneese population where i live and all they open up is sushi places and a couple ramen joints.  we finally got a taiyaki place a couple years ago at least.  About 1/2 the restaurants in my town are sushi places most of the rest are burrito joints. 

Modifié par Ahglock, 26 mars 2010 - 06:02 .

[Ecael]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

[Ahglock]

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

Well Bioware added a new element to mass effect its called handwavium.  I use it liberally when finding the normandy crash site and realising its smaller thana football field, instead of spread out over miles.  So that is how he landed with the rest of the wreck as well I guess, if he landed there.  

[SimonTheFrog]

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

It would have been awesome if BioWare would have hinted at a parachute in the armor (you know, backpack or whatever).
Also that reminds me of "ff-the spirits within", the CGI film. They had high density gases to savely land in. It was cool and could be automatically deployed by a suit... 


Edit: typo

Modifié par SimonTheFrog, 26 mars 2010 - 06:01 .

[Ecael]

Ahglock wrote...

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

Well Bioware added a new element to mass effect its called handwavium.  I use it liberally when finding the normandy crash site and realising its smaller thana football field, instead of spread out over miles.  So that is how he landed with the rest of the wreck as well I guess, if he landed there.  

Handwavium effect fields!

But yeah, it's too much work for the writers, CGI animators and DLC team to get right the first time.

[SimonTheFrog]

Ecael wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

Well Bioware added a new element to mass effect its called handwavium.  I use it liberally when finding the normandy crash site and realising its smaller thana football field, instead of spread out over miles.  So that is how he landed with the rest of the wreck as well I guess, if he landed there.  

Handwavium effect fields!

But yeah, it's too much work for the writers, CGI animators and DLC team to get right the first time.

Uh oh... you suggesting that there will be a second time??