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[Ecael]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

It would have been awesome if BioWare would have hinted at a parachute in the armor (you know, backpack or whatever).
Also that reminds me of "ff-the spirits within", the CGI film. They had high density gases to savely land in. It was cool and could be automatically be deployed by a suit...

I actually watched that movie... twice.



That's definitely a possibility as well (along with a parachute). Found a clip of it:

http://www.youtube.c...bU3ZoP8#t=7m15s - FF: Spirits Within

It's hard to believe that N7 armor wouldn't have something to use in the event of high impact falls.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Oma Desala helped Shepard ascend before he actually entered the atmosphere. Unluckily for him, the other Ascended Beings, or "beings of light", wouldn't allow him to use his newfound knowledge and powers to prove to the Council that the Reapers do indeed exist, and more importantly that the first was made by and of their race, so they rematerialized him 2 kilometers above Alchera's surface.

[SimonTheFrog]

Yeah, thats the scene. Nice.



I just wonder... it needs to be shot "ahead" to be able to spread a few secs. Hmmm so the suit must have mini rpg's facing every possible direction. That ought to look funny...

No, i'm just being silly...

[Ecael]

SimonTheFrog wrote...
Uh oh... you suggesting that there will be a second time?? 

It's not worth a second time.

[SimonTheFrog]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Oma Desala helped Shepard ascend before he actually entered the atmosphere. Unluckily for him, the other Ascended Beings, or "beings of light", wouldn't allow him to use his newfound knowledge and powers to prove to the Council that the Reapers do indeed exist, and more importantly that the first was made by and of their race, so they rematerialized him 2 kilometers above Alchera's surface.

That's something i don't get.

Who is this "Oma"? (Coincidently the german word for "Granny", so i believe its an elderly lady.)

[TheUnusualSuspect]

implodinggoat wrote...

AwesomeAuger wrote...

The atmosphere could be very thin, so you'd avoid the heat, and you wouldn't fall very fast if the planet didn't much gravitational pull.

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera

Alchera

Atm. Pressure: 0.83 atmospheres


Surface Temp: −22 °C


Surface Gravity: 0.85 g


Mass: 1.767 Earth Masses

ie. close enough to Earth-like to use Earth-scale maths.

At a height of 1000kms, above the surface, in a free-fall with that surface gravity (0.85g), Shepard's body would be travelling at around 4000m/s by the time it reached the denser parts of the atmosphere that would cause it to burn up.

Atmospheric reentry wiki

An approximate rule-of-thumb used by heat shield designers for
estimating peak shock layer temperature is to assume the air
temperature in kelvins to be equal to the entry speed in meters per second - a mathematical coincidence.

Shep's body would be heated up to around 4000K, which is approximately 7700F

That's falling from 1000kms up, which given the video and the curvature of the planet visible, is probably somewhat close to the distance that the SR1 was from the planet.

[TheUnusualSuspect]

geekeffect wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...
Skydivers also don't jump out of space shuttles orbiting a planet.......

Actually... YouTube: Free Fall From Space

Anyways, the issue is Shep had to be floating in space and maybe the space suit has some kind of beacon... If he had unconsiously fallen into that planet, my guess is he would make a big splat on the ground, omelet style.

He jumped from 30kms high, which is still substantially lower than the 100km high "boundary", referred to as the Karman Line at which point atmospheric re-entry issues take place.  Kittinger never left the atmosphere, was never in "space", and never re-entered the atmosphere.  That video is making invalid claims that Kittinger was actually in space.  He never jumped from an altitude high enough to constitute being in "open space" by any accepted defintion of the term.

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 06:29 .

[Ecael]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

He jumped from 30kms high, which is still substantially lower than the 100km high "boundary", referred to as the Karman Line at which point atmospheric re-entry issues take place.  Kittinger never left the atmosphere, was never in "space", and never re-entered the atmosphere.  That video is making invalid claims that Kittinger was actually in space.  He never jumped from an altitude high enough to constitute being in "open space" by any accepted defintion of the term.

Even then, why did the smaller pieces of the Normandy enter Alchera's atmosphere, but Shepard did not?

[Payne by name]

That's an interesting point but I found right at the beginning I was more dis-orientated by how TIM had been saying "we must take care of Shepherd" and the next scene the Normandy was being shot down.



Hence when I came round and Miranda was there I was like "I'm being played here, it's so obvious that I was set up by TIM".

[TheUnusualSuspect]

Ecael wrote...

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

He jumped from 30kms high, which is still substantially lower than the 100km high "boundary", referred to as the Karman Line at which point atmospheric re-entry issues take place.  Kittinger never left the atmosphere, was never in "space", and never re-entered the atmosphere.  That video is making invalid claims that Kittinger was actually in space.  He never jumped from an altitude high enough to constitute being in "open space" by any accepted defintion of the term.

Even then, why did the smaller pieces of the Normandy enter Alchera's atmosphere, but Shepard did not?

Uh, not sure what you mean there.  I firmly believe that Shepard would have fallen to the planet's surface if the Normandy did.

Any speculation that the explosion shockwave accelerated Shepard to a sufficient orbital velocity is bogus (IMO), as an explosive acceleration of that magnitude, which would mean accelerating Shepard's body to around 6500m/s (ballpark estimate for Alchera at that altitude) in a split instant.  An explosive accelerative force of that magnitude would rip Shep's suit and body apart.  There wouldn't be "meat and tubes", there'd be a "fragmented fine spray".

None of the opening sequence makes even remote sense as applied to physics as we understand it, no matter which way we try to spin the possibilities.

The "joke posts" about wizards earlier in this thread, while jokes, are about the most plausible explanation. :happy:

Modifié par TheUnusualSuspect, 26 mars 2010 - 06:48 .

[Ecael]

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

Ecael wrote...

TheUnusualSuspect wrote...

He jumped from 30kms high, which is still substantially lower than the 100km high "boundary", referred to as the Karman Line at which point atmospheric re-entry issues take place.  Kittinger never left the atmosphere, was never in "space", and never re-entered the atmosphere.  That video is making invalid claims that Kittinger was actually in space.  He never jumped from an altitude high enough to constitute being in "open space" by any accepted defintion of the term.

Even then, why did the smaller pieces of the Normandy enter Alchera's atmosphere, but Shepard did not?

Uh, not sure what you mean there.  I firmly believe that Shepard would have fallen to the planet's surface if the Normandy did.

Any speculation that the explosion shockwave accelerated Shepard to a sufficient orbital velocity is bogus (IMO), as an explosive acceleration of that magnitude, which would mean accelerating Shepard's body to around 6500m/s (ballpark estimate for Alchera at that altitude) in a split instant.  An explosive accelerative force of that magnitude would rip Shep's suit and body apart.  There wouldn't be "meat and tubes", there'd be a "fragmented fine spray".

None of the opening sequence makes even remote sense as applied to physics as we understand it, no matter which way we try to spin the possibilities.

The "joke posts" about wizards earlier in this thread, while jokes, are about the most plausible explanation. :happy:

Ah, I thought you were for the 'Shepard in orbit' side.

Still, parachutes! With mass effect fields!

PARACHUTE IS EVERYWHERE!

[Soupey21]

Why are we making the assumption that this planet has a similar atmosphere to that of Earth?

[Ecael]

Soupey21 wrote...

Why are we making the assumption that this planet has a similar atmosphere to that of Earth?

Atm. Pressure: 0.83 atm
Surface Temp: −22 °C
Surface Gravity: 0.85 g
Mass: 1.767 Earth Masses
Satellites: 3

[Nightwriter]

Ecael wrote...

Soupey21 wrote...

Why are we making the assumption that this planet has a similar atmosphere to that of Earth?

Atm. Pressure: 0.83 atm
Surface Temp: −22 °C
Surface Gravity: 0.85 g
Mass: 1.767 Earth Masses
Satellites: 3

Bam! Ha ha. This made me laugh.

[geekeffect]

Ecael wrote...

Soupey21 wrote...

Why are we making the assumption that this planet has a similar atmosphere to that of Earth?

Atm. Pressure: 0.83 atm
Surface Temp: −22 °C
Surface Gravity: 0.85 g
Mass: 1.767 Earth Masses
Satellites: 3

Ecael, you are now officially a geek!

Regarding Sheps recovery, he had to be orbiting the planet and never made it into the planet's atmosphere. Since he was loosing oxygen we know he had a breach in his suit, therefore got exposed to outer space temperature, which is -270°C or -454°F. Now I'm no expert but that has to do tremendous damage to a human body. ME2 obviously takes some (or lots of) scientific freedom regarding the consequences of such event. But we can theorize on BioWare's regard that maybe the breach was only on the breathing system, and that somehow the suit retained inner pressure, and so the damage was extensively reduced....

Either that or it's just videogame physics, I don't know...

[Ahglock]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Oma Desala helped Shepard ascend before he actually entered the atmosphere. Unluckily for him, the other Ascended Beings, or "beings of light", wouldn't allow him to use his newfound knowledge and powers to prove to the Council that the Reapers do indeed exist, and more importantly that the first was made by and of their race, so they rematerialized him 2 kilometers above Alchera's surface.

Oh god what were the bad ascended beings called in the epic fail that was star gate after Jack, I'm totally blanking on that. 

[Xaijin]

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 mars 2010 - 08:04 .

[Xaijin]

Ori.

[Xaijin]

Never made it

Which is a hell of alot more plausible than hitting atmo and then hitting the ground again, (not that there would be  much to hit ), and a parachute isn't going to do any good with the added mass and thinner atmosphere, even if the N7 had it, it's of no use. far better that they find him before orbital decay occurs.

Modifié par Xaijin, 26 mars 2010 - 08:25 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

InvaderErl wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Wizardry.

Space Wizadry.

Like the alien from South Park.

[Kaiser Shepard]

SimonTheFrog wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Oma Desala helped Shepard ascend before he actually entered the atmosphere. Unluckily for him, the other Ascended Beings, or "beings of light", wouldn't allow him to use his newfound knowledge and powers to prove to the Council that the Reapers do indeed exist, and more importantly that the first was made by and of their race, so they rematerialized him 2 kilometers above Alchera's surface.

That's something i don't get.

Who is this "Oma"? (Coincidently the german word for "Granny", so i believe its an elderly lady.)

It's a character in Stargate SG-1, a sci-fi series. Oma means granny in my language (Dutch) as well, so you're not alone in finding it a strange name.

Ahglock wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

post

Oh god what were the bad ascended beings called in the epic fail that was star gate after Jack, I'm totally blanking on that. 

Hallowed are the Ori.

Speaking of SG-1, I really should finish that series this weekend. Only 5 or 6 episodes left, too.

[BurningArmor]

Ecael wrote...

SimonTheFrog wrote...

The only explanation that would work would be a catch before hitting the ground.

Well, I used to think he was just stuck in orbit... and then I thought he just hit the ground hard and didn't shatter.

Now I'm leaning toward the whole "Auto-deployed parachutes in the N7 armor" hypothesis that I suggested earlier.

Shepard landed with the rest of the wreck and his parachutes deployed, already dead. The helm was entangled in cords - so when whoever recovered him wanted to transport him, they had to remove the helmet first.

Parachutes?  Low tech I can deal with, but even just one parachute would be bulky.  I cannot account for that kind of bulk in the Onyx N7 Armor. 

Perhaps we might take a lesson from the name of this story - Mass Effect.  To use the techno-babble, perhaps the Onyx N7 Armor has a small mass effect generator in the same housing Shepard mounts his various weapons.  The ME generator could be used to lighten the load of weapons and their ammo, and could also slow a decent much as was done with the Mako.  A small distress beacon could also be mounted in there configured to go off either manually or when the armor's occupant looses consciousness. 

[Malysoun]

Kinetic barriers are mass effect fields. Seems odd that a high-tech armor wouldn't be able to reconfigure them to act as a chute, or even as an anti-grav.

Medi-gel is a bio-engineered compound and seals against moisture until subjected to ultrasound.

Certain proteins act like natural anti-freeze, and if engineered into medi-gel would prevent ice crystals from rupturing cell membranes.

The skull was intact, but there were other broken bones suggesting impact, it might not have been terminal (see shield generator as parachute), and people have fallen out of airplanes and landed in snow and lived to talk about it before.

What's the atmospheric composition anyhow?

[Xaijin]

It's on page 4.

[Malysoun]

Xaijin wrote...

It's on page 4.

Thanks, that'll teach me to skip ahead without reading and end up repeating a few things.
Although I'm not entirely convinced on a few of the counterarguments.