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[Haexpane]

Yrkoon wrote...

 
   2) the unusually high price.

Since when is $40 for a 30 hour long single player game "unusually high"?

[Haexpane]

TheRealIncarnal wrote...

Bioware pretty much delivered what I want.

I agreee, and I agree strongly with "pretty much"  certainly not 100% more like 80% of what I wanted Bioware delivered.  Considering that is a lot more than most RPGs deliver, consider myself satisfied.

They gave us
- New levels
- New gear
-New abilities
-New NPCs
-New areas
-New story
-New quests
-Respec
-some continuity
-runecrafting
-Warriors, ARchers, Rogues beefed up

What IMO they missed
-No new game+
-Can't import full party
-Too easy on hard
-DLC bugs
-Armor/graphic bugs
-Quest Bugs
-Audio bugs
-Not enough bosses
-Random encounter bugs (hard to trigger all of them even after repeated back and forth travel)
- No final save

[TheMadCat]

Eli-da-Mage wrote...

Think of the high price as a donation to make DA2 even better. I didn't really think it was unusually high myself.

I'm going to view that first part as sarcasm or as a bad joke.

The second part, it's not unusually high looking at similar products. Most people seem to agree though that the game wasn't worth the $40. The overall quality I don't think is up to snuff with what people come to expect from Bioware and that devalues the product in their eyes and to me, given what I've heard it seems like a pretty bad deal. Instead of Awakening for $40 I decided to wait and I picked up The Longest Journey and M&B Warband for $30, one with a better story and one with better gameplay with quardruple the length. So yeah, while EA didn't go crazy I do think they overpriced their product a little all thing considered.

[BloodyMangus]

I want less bugs or none if possible

[DoDadds]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

I probably speak for most here 

No, you don't actually.

Yeah? So you're saying you want poor combat, story, companions or romance? Because I said customers want all of those things to be good.

So if you don't care about story, combat, companions or romance, what is it that you care about it in your game?

Actually you said customers want those things to be good (weak arguemnt, who doesn't want a good game?) and then started off on why you won't play Awakening with nothing more than "I don't like Oghren and somebody said the story is weak".

What you've done here is attempt to use the first half of your post about "I think I speak for everyone because I know we like good things" as a way to add some kind of credibility to the drivel that follows. It doesn't work like that. You don't get credit for stating the obvious.

Example:

I think I speak for everyone here when I say people want good food.

I won't eat pizza because I hate green peppers.

The problem with your "argument" is that much like pizza you can get Awakening without green peppers (Oghren) and just because you know people like good things doesn't mean that somehow your opinion is now more valid than anothers.

[kingjezza]

I actually thought the story for Awakening was pretty damn good, actually I think it's better than and more interesting than Origins, the problem is it's far too rushed and then comes to a juddering halt, the game simply isn't long enough to do the story justice!



I also liked most of the new characters, same problem applies though, the game is just too short to flesh any of them out.



I have to say it didn't feel much like an expansion to me, just a very short, bug riddled sequel, the odd cameo aside it has very little relevance to Origins and I think they tried to just do too much in the end, it felt rushed and if you cared about what happened in origins then this might end up annoying you as there is no reason given for your end of game (origins) choices being totally ignored on the whole.



That being said, I actually quite enjoyed the whole thing, just give me Leliana back next time would you ;-P

[TorstenS]

To be honest many points are already mentioned here. But to show some constructive critism I will post my points.

1. Good story / too rushed....lesser content but much more detailed would be fine....as an example the Traitor story could have been developed to a criminal case instead of the going to the farm and killing everybody in 5 min thing.
2. Good companions / Justice and Anders could be much more detailed. I really like Justice this figure has potential
3. Good combat / pls better balancing
4. Romance / relationships

... so far I agree with the first post.

5. Better NPC Face design and no random generated stuff ... ok the modded Redesigned version is on the way but under normal circumstances it is the work of bioware.
6. DLCs Item Fix
7. A riddle would also be fine and a good alternative to the standard hack and slay maps.
8. Better coincidence with DAO

Since I started that game I had the feeling that Im only a stupid cash cow for Bioware.
The whole addon seems to be developed by a complete different team, probably bought from an extern modder team

Modifié par TorstenS, 26 mars 2010 - 11:06 .

[Yrkoon]

Haexpane wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

 
   2) the unusually high price.

Since when is $40 for a 30 hour long single player game "unusually high"?

Show me another  $40 expansion pack.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Bloodmoon, Tribunal they all cost $40 and so did shivering Isle. Happy?

[Yrkoon]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Bloodmoon, Tribunal they all cost $40 

 Baloney.    Both were $29.99   in the USA on their release date.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 mars 2010 - 02:33 .

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

You said $40, how am I suppose to that you live in the US, it is $40 in Australia

[TrueWindoze]

an epic community event would be really cool...oh wait...

[Yrkoon]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

You said $40, how am I suppose to that you live in the US, it is $40 in Australia

Oh, we could translate this discussion to Australian currency if you'd like.

Awakenings  was $49.99 in Australian dollars.  Show me another $50 expansion pack.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Like I said all three above. All expansions in Australia cost on the $50 mark when they come out and all PC range from $70-$99. PS3 is $100-$110 and same for Xbox 360. I know because I bought them when they came out.

[Yrkoon]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Like I said all three above. All expansions in Australia cost on the $50 mark when they come out and all PC range from $70-$99. PS3 is $100-$110 and same for Xbox 360. I know because I bought them when they came out.

But since Australian pricing is not the standard we use here, your arguments really don't affect the point whatsoever.

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

The only exception I can think of was knights of the nine and that cost around $15-$30 and that was a DLC

[Frank the Running Bugzepel]

Yrkoon wrote...
But since Australian pricing is not the standard we use here, your arguments really don't affect the point whatsoever.

Ahh but don't you see wit when you see it. You did say $40 and I just gave you expansions that cost $40. You could have made it clearer by saying $40 US or 40 euros. That way people who don't live in the US don't have to toil with the idea that $40 is the same amount that you would find in lets say Zimbabwe. This is a global forum you know.

[LaughingDragon]

DoDadds wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

I probably speak for most here 

No, you don't actually.

Yeah? So you're saying you want poor combat, story, companions or romance? Because I said customers want all of those things to be good.

So if you don't care about story, combat, companions or romance, what is it that you care about it in your game?

Actually you said customers want those things to be good (weak arguemnt, who doesn't want a good game?) and then started off on why you won't play Awakening with nothing more than "I don't like Oghren and somebody said the story is weak".

What you've done here is attempt to use the first half of your post about "I think I speak for everyone because I know we like good things" as a way to add some kind of credibility to the drivel that follows. It doesn't work like that. You don't get credit for stating the obvious.

Example:

I think I speak for everyone here when I say people want good food.

I won't eat pizza because I hate green peppers.

The problem with your "argument" is that much like pizza you can get Awakening without green peppers (Oghren) and just because you know people like good things doesn't mean that somehow your opinion is now more valid than anothers.

I'm not trying to pose an argument - Instead I'm just stating the obvious, as you pointed out, that people want a good game.

In the case of awakening, many players and gaming journalists feel that awakening's story was not nearly as good or as long as in origins (see ign, gamespot and the various forums etc). In addition, not only do many feel the story is not as good or as long, the game price is almost as much as origins ($40.00). So if you're paying the same price or just about the same price, I would imagine you would expect similar length/polish/quality etc.

Furthermore, many people are disappointed and feel that the companions available in origins are more memorable and higher quality than in awakenings (IE, compare morrigan or alistair or insert your favorite - to the awakenings cast).

The combat I hear is pretty much unchanged from origins, so is still good.

Then there is the issue of poor integration with origins - IE the choices you made in origin don't carry over very well into awakenings, and instead of expand the game, it just adds a new game - IE you cant transition seamlessly from awakening to origins, and visit the same map and old places in origins.

I think the issue of the story, the integration with origins, the companions and other points I've made are perfectly valid.

I thought origins was a great game but many of the features I liked in origins and features I wanted to see are not in awakening and that disappoints me and many others out there.

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 27 mars 2010 - 04:18 .

[Yrkoon]

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
But since Australian pricing is not the standard we use here, your arguments really don't affect the point whatsoever.

Ahh but don't you see wit when you see it. You did say $40

Correct.  I said $40.  Not AU$40.

Go bore someone else with your   pointless    semantics lawyer-speak, now.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 mars 2010 - 04:53 .

[DoDadds]

Yrkoon wrote...

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
But since Australian pricing is not the standard we use here, your arguments really don't affect the point whatsoever.

Ahh but don't you see wit when you see it. You did say $40

Correct.  I said $40.  Not AU$ 40.

Go bore someone else with your   pointless    semantics lawyer-speak, now.

I wouldn't think an Aussie would refer to their dollars as AU$ 40 when speaking to another Aussie just are Americans don't refer to our dollars as US$ 40. Just because you posed a poor is not a reason to get bent out of shape. Notice how the forum doesn't show the location of the poster?

Please stop making Americans look bad.

[Yrkoon]

DoDadds wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Lady light doorbell wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...
But since Australian pricing is not the standard we use here, your arguments really don't affect the point whatsoever.

Ahh but don't you see wit when you see it. You did say $40

Correct.  I said $40.  Not AU$ 40.

Go bore someone else with your   pointless    semantics lawyer-speak, now.

I wouldn't think an Aussie would refer to their dollars as AU$ 40 when speaking to another Aussie just are Americans don't refer to our dollars as US$ 40. Just because you posed a poor is not a reason to get bent out of shape. Notice how the forum doesn't show the location of the poster?

Please stop making Americans look bad.

WTF.   We were discussing the fact that  Awakenings  was $40.  Why in the world would anyone assume we were speaking in Austrialian currency, when Awakenings was NOT $40 in Australia anyway?


And by the way, about making "Americans look bad", you are the last person to talk.  Mr. "I hate Canadians because they talk differently".  lol 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 27 mars 2010 - 05:03 .

[Eurypterid]

Knock it off, you two.