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Zevran & Leliana letters in Awakening (very upset fans in here!)


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#226
Kerendar

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MaxQuartiroli wrote...
The more.....
In these days I also heard about a possible Liara DLC for ME2.. My question therefore is....
Is not that Bioware is planning to use the romance and taking advantage of them just to collect more money????

Pondering....
 

Not much pondering needed imo, just ask yourself this:
How many people would at least consider a DLC that adds Oghren?
How many will buy a Leliana DLC without even considering?

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I'm curious, exactly what would you folks be expecting from a "romance DLC"? I've seen that phrase thrown around quite a bit in this thread and others and not sure what you feel it entitles.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 22 avril 2010 - 08:19 .


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I see two possibilities on what the DLC might be:

1. A quest with Leliana/Zevran (these are the two I would deem most likely) which gives you some additional play time apart from what happens in Awakening (before or later).

2. Adding them as companions for Awakening, like Shale for Origins.

#229
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Or a "romance DlC" if such a thing exists could add what doesn't currently exist in DA:A, options to romance Velanna, Sigrun, Nathaniel, or Anders (as the Orlesian?). Maybe as well as returning Zevran or Leliana to the game in some fashion.



Of course, we have no idea they're working on any such thing, and I don't even know where the rumors started. We do know something's coming next which could involve Leliana, but it could also be a quick-appearance cameo.




#230
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I doubt they'd bring Kempa in for a quick cameo in a DLC. If they're bringing one of the older VA's to reprise their role I'd assume it'd be somewhat centric to the DLC's purpose. How and what is obviously all speculation.

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Lucy Glitter

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I would assume something like helping your old companions out with some quests, or something.

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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I would assume something like helping your old companions out with some quests, or something.


So long as its done better than reuniting with Wynne in Awakening. I think my Warden's reunion with her went something like this-
Warden: " Hey! Its Wynne! How are you doing, you know with the whole spirit deal? How is Shale?"
Wynne: "Oh hey- yeah theres this crazy lady collecting seeds in some forest. Go get her for me. KTHXBAI!"
*Wynne disappears*
:huh:

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Lucy Glitter

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I was so depressed after I saw her. She didn't act like my best bud *cries*

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All the more reason to kill her next time we meet in the tower.

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I think what happened was, for all Bioware's alleged hipness, that once they saw what modders could do with their "shortclothes" hump sessions, they freaked and pulled the plug. We get a shortclothes hump session in ME2, and the rest are fades and embraces, so it would seem that we get Tarentino-grade violence and Disney-grade romance these days.

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TheMadCat wrote...

I'm curious, exactly what would you folks be expecting from a "romance DLC"? I've seen that phrase thrown around quite a bit in this thread and others and not sure what you feel it entitles.


Well.. I believe "romance DLC" is something which doesn't exist...

people should specify if they are expecting
- a "romance PACK", like something we saw by some modders in NWN2 which add romance options for already existing characters  in already existing games (like DA:A)
- a "DLC which include some new adventures with old characters, and therefore INCLUDE ALSO some romance moments, if those characters was potentially love interests... I don't think people are interested in a DLC which consists only of 1 hour flirting and anything else... Image IPB

But this DLC should  be playable also by players who didn't had that character as a LI, and still enjoying it

I'll  give you a couple of examples

- A DLC where you help Liara in defeating the Shadow Broker
- A DLC where you help Zevran to defeat the Crows

By doing this I think you'll make an adventure which would make happy all those player who had a romance with them, by giving them a couple of moments where to continue their romance, but it would be an adventure that could be played and enjoyed also by all those players who don't have romantic interests..
I think that it should be interesting to help Liara in defeating the shadow, even if your character didn't romance her and therefore he won't kiss her during the game, am I wrong?

This is what I figure when I hear people talking about  a "Romance DLC"

#237
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Oghren saying something ("hey, what happened to that red headed firecracker you were greasin'?") would have been nice. Any reference to previous romance... I actually sat there worried about her the whole time:P (which, actually, says a lot for the original game)

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Suilebhain wrote...

I think what happened was, for all Bioware's alleged hipness, that once they saw what modders could do with their "shortclothes" hump sessions, they freaked and pulled the plug.

I doubt they were even surprised. A game that lets you customize models AND fully control movement? no-clothes hump sessions is definately gonna be one of the things that happen. They may have set the clock, taking bets on how long it is gonna take for the first mod to come out. :lol:

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I logged into this forum for the first time in about 3-4 weeks to see if there's been a patch released for Awakening, fixing all the faults I have read about... and I see this. I strictly remember Bioware saying that "romances will be aknowledged in Awakening" yet I haven't heard anything to back up this statement. A reliable source told me the only reference to Leliana comes in the epilogue! How is that acknowledgement. These supposed letters would give just that. And here people are saying letters were written but are not in the game. Pffft. A miracle is needed to make me want to buy Awakening at this point.

#240
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Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 So, I am sure this has been discussed elsewhere, but I can't find it. Here was a letter to be found in your pack when you had a romance with Zevran:

Greetings from Antiva! I would prefer to be where you are, my sweet. Antiva is so dull without you to brighten it. Even with the Crows trying to hunt me down, this place lacks the excitement of being at your side. 

Ah, well. I expect the Guildmaster will agree to meet me soon. Or maybe I should kill him! What do you think? 

I hear the darkspawn have still not gone away? They are like houseguests who overstay their welcome, no? I am saddened you have to deal with such business without me. I must deal with the Crows, but when I return to you, not even sharp razors will be able to separate us! Until then, you remain in my dreams. Especially the naughty ones.

Yours always, Zevran.


So, why exactly was this cut? I know for a fact adding in a note to your inventory isn't that difficult. As one of the (apparently) few Zevran fangirls, I am sad that this was taken out.

EDIT: Leliana's Note:

Dearest,

I hope you are well. Alas, I am 
unable to come to the keep as I promised. I am so sorry, but the Grand 
Cleric herself wishes to speak with me. I will tell you all about it 
once I have had my audience. Is it true the darkspawn have not 
retreated? No matter, I'm sure you have it under control. Wish I could 
be there, killing darkspawn beside you. Perhaps you could save some for 
me? (All right, that was a joke. Do not spare them. That would be 
silly.) You are always in my thoughts. 

Love, Leliana

P.S. Maybe 
you could consider growing some roses around your keep? That would make 
it so much prettier, don't you think?


Nice twist, too bad they didn't think use such trick. But a version for those with no romance and just friendship would be fine too.

#241
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Feraele wrote...

Continuity is not the forte of Bioware, this whole thread makes that fact, evident.

You can say that, again.  I hope someone at Bioware is listening; perhaps a forlorn hope, but it shouldn't stop us saying "oi, Bioware, no!" when they release such continuity-light sequels.  It's in their interest to do so anyway to hold people's interest instead of having to work to get it all over again, even if logical thinking is also not always their forte.

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Feraele wrote...
Continuity is not the forte of Bioware, this whole thread makes that fact, evident.


That was obvious with NWN1.

#243
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To my knowledge nobody at Bioware has said the love letters were cut from the expansion.  All we know is that they are in the talktable file but for some inexplicable reason never appear in the game. So yes, it is possible that an intentional decision was made to cut the letters from the expansion. Nevertheless it's just as possible that their omission is due to yet another bug in the initial release. We won't really know until someone from Bioware makes a statement, or it gets listed as one of the bug fixes in a future update.

Modifié par Vim, 25 avril 2010 - 12:16 .


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Wournos wrote...

I logged into this forum for the first time in about 3-4 weeks to see if there's been a patch released for Awakening, fixing all the faults I have read about... and I see this. I strictly remember Bioware saying that "romances will be aknowledged in Awakening" yet I haven't heard anything to back up this statement. A reliable source told me the only reference to Leliana comes in the epilogue! How is that acknowledgement. These supposed letters would give just that. And here people are saying letters were written but are not in the game. Pffft. A miracle is needed to make me want to buy Awakening at this point.

How is it not acknowledgement?

#245
Lucy Glitter

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It is an acknowledgement, sure, but it feels like a teensy afterthought. BW are famous partly for their amazing romance plots, so of course people are going to be upset.

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Which is all the more baffling as to why there was none in Awakening, so a world ending blight is occuring and you can take time out to shag in what i always assumed is morigahn's camp spot (just picture Mori as the roomate asked to get lost while you're with a girl)



but darkspawn kill each other in a port town and OMG STOP EVERYTHING!! SORRY SWEETY I GOTTA DITCH YAH FOR THIS! why don't yah go off and do something else while i'm gone kthxbye, as for romance'n the awakening cast, i'd rather just micromanage their lives(it's fun!) and play match maker with them, nate & valenna are ready to bone each other as is



Still April was ME2 month, so i imagine May should tag back to dragon age DLC, we'll see where this Leliana DLC listing in Kempa's bio goes

#247
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It would be cool if they didnt remove the letters, add a little thing to do on the side like planting and watering roses or giving Zevran letters back( Would be cooler if you could meet Leliana in the Armithine chantry and Zevran in the Wending Woods)

#248
Katsuya Kaiba

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I wish they kept the letters. Bloody hell, the biggest problem with Awakening is the lack of character development as a whole and a lack of any kind of link to the original game. I was highly disappointed with it since DA:O was so RICH with it.

#249
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I don't know why they would remove the letters. Unless of course they are planning to have them make more of an appearance...

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Katsuya Kaiba

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There was the interview where one of the Bioware team says they would love to do a Romance Pack. Who knows. Maybe there will be another expansion pack?