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[Jackitsu]

YohkoOhno wrote...

You guys take the romances a bit too seriously. I'm just glad the next time I play I'll get letters once the patch is installed.

Assuming the patch isn't another terror-fest, creating more bugs than it fixes... 


I don't like the letters so much, seems like a cop-out to me, just like leaving the LIs out of the expansion in the first place.  It would have been nice for the sake of having almost any continuity.  

Its not me being fangirly, its just me expecting high quality from people who have given it to me in the past.  In Awakenings you can't even have proper conversations with your companions when you want to.  The letters seem to me to be inconsequential to the overall let-down of the expansion.  It was okay for a game, but far, far less than I expected after Origins was so amazing.

My favorite moment was when a king came to greet me at the Keep.  He totally died in my run through.  I hope DA:2 is better quality, no matter who/what/where/when in the universe it is.

[Lucy Glitter]

YohkoOhno wrote...

You guys take the romances a bit too seriously. I'm just glad the next time I play I'll get letters once the patch is installed.

Jackitsu wrote...

Its not me being fangirly, its just me expecting high quality from people who have given it to me in the past. 

Exactly why I wrote this topic.

Vim wrote...
But a letter would be out of character for Morrigan. She isn't the letter writing sort. A letter would be an admission of weakness.   Instead she'd nurse the pain she feels in her heart to make herself stronger, just as Flemeth has taught her. The only way I'd see her contacting  the Warden is if Flemeth or some other force stronger than herself has taken the Warden's child away from her for some nefarious purpose.   But even then she wouldn't write, she'd come personally to enlist the Warden's help because that's the kind of gal she is.  And you can't do that sort of plot justice in a single letter or even a DLC , that sort of epic quest is more appropriate for Dragon Age 2. 

Now I could possibly see a teaser letter from someone who believes they may have sighted Morrigan, but without knowing where Bioware intends to take that particular plot in the sequel, it would be too easy to write something that ends up clashing with Dragon Age 2. 

Not to be a wet blanket here, but Morrigan did state she doesn't want you to find her - I assume that means she won't be sending you letters, either. As much as she might want to, this whole big enigma of hers seems to be very important.

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Not to be a wet blanket here, but Morrigan did state she doesn't want you to find her - I assume that means she won't be sending you letters, either. As much as she might want to, this whole big enigma of hers seems to be very important.

Yeah, I'd bet Morrigan will show up somehow, some way at a later date. As for whether or not we'll ever be able to do anything more romantically with her, who knows.

Although at least as far as Awakening is concerned, maybe instead of a friendly letter from Morrigan, they could have something happen through the ring she gives the Warden. You've got the whole "sorrow and regret" felt through the ring in the epilogue of Origins, so maybe they could do something like that in Awakening? I'd just like to see some acknowledgement of that romance in Awakening outside of the last epilogue slide.

[Lucy Glitter]

I agree, there wasn't any acknowledgement for Morrigan, which is a big shame. The same goes for romanced non-king Alistair's.



I do think it's almost certain Morrigan will appear sometime soon, but, like you said, will we be able to continue the romance/friendship? Hmmm. :/

[Zy-El]

I vaguely recall an epilogue balloon in Awakening stating that the Warden was rumoured to be off on a search for the Marsh Witch after leaving Vigil's Keep.

I know we'll see her again. Best case scenario: romance picks up again. Worst case scenario: Flemeth possesses Morrigan. Hmmm . . . getting +Approval might be a little tough in that case.

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I do think it's almost certain Morrigan will appear sometime soon, but, like you said, will we be able to continue the romance/friendship? Hmmm. :/

Yeah, I just hope that if we have the chance to reunite with Morrigan the writers don't pull out the Plot Hammer of Doom and pull an Aribeth or something on us. Like have us meet back up with Morrigan years later only to have her taken over by Flemeth and have split personalities or something or have her be the big bad villain or something similarly nasty. The writers thrive off of our tears!

Zy-El wrote...

I vaguely recall an epilogue balloon in
Awakening stating that the Warden was rumoured to be off on a search for
the Marsh Witch after leaving Vigil's Keep.
I know we'll see her
again. Best case scenario: romance picks up again. Worst case
scenario: Flemeth possesses Morrigan. Hmmm . . . getting +Approval
might be a little tough in that case.

Yeah, the Awakening epilogue if you romanced Morrigan has your Warden going off to Orlais to search for her. Combine that with Morrigan's epilogues from Origins where she is headed over the Frostbacks, or if you didn't do the Ritual she'll be spotted in the Court of Orlais. I think it seems likely the next time we see Morrigan it might be in Orlais. And then in western Orlais you've got the Urthemiel plateau, which seems awfully coincidental  seeing as Morrigan might have a certain OGB in tow if you did the DR.

[Zy-El]

Yes, there are a lot of references to Orlais and Morrigan in the same sentence. Which leads me to believe that we'll be seeing some of the characters in this Leliana's DLC which begins in Orlais. Remember, Leliana was captured and tortured by the Orlesian guards. Might she have left behind a few nasty guardsmen who would need their heads squished!!! But I digress . . .

[Vim]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Vim wrote...
But a letter would be out of character for Morrigan. She isn't the letter writing sort. A letter would be an admission of weakness.   Instead she'd nurse the pain she feels in her heart to make herself stronger, just as Flemeth has taught her. The only way I'd see her contacting  the Warden is if Flemeth or some other force stronger than herself has taken the Warden's child away from her for some nefarious purpose.   But even then she wouldn't write, she'd come personally to enlist the Warden's help because that's the kind of gal she is.  And you can't do that sort of plot justice in a single letter or even a DLC , that sort of epic quest is more appropriate for Dragon Age 2. 

Now I could possibly see a teaser letter from someone who believes they may have sighted Morrigan, but without knowing where Bioware intends to take that particular plot in the sequel, it would be too easy to write something that ends up clashing with Dragon Age 2. 

Not to be a wet blanket here, but Morrigan did state she doesn't want you to find her - I assume that means she won't be sending you letters, either. As much as she might want to, this whole big enigma of hers seems to be very important.

I don't see you as being a wet blanket at all. I'm in complete agreement with you.

[Lucy Glitter]

That epiglogue baloon is for most players, actually. Just most of them state that your warden, along with your companions, disappear somewhere after a few months.

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

That epiglogue baloon is for most players, actually. Just most of them state that your warden, along with your companions, disappear somewhere after a few months.

Yup, all of the Wardens vanish or disappear at the end of Awakening. *sigh* I really, really, really hope BioWare doesn't just leave the Warden's story at that. The whole "mysteriously vanished" card wore out its welcome when Obsidian/Lucasarts screwed over Revan with it in KOTOR2.

I'd hate to start DA2 or whatever comes next and just have some reference like " Oh, the Hero of Ferelden person just went to their Calling." I just want some closure for the Warden and the other Origins companions and storylines (Morrigan!) before moving on to a new story and new PC. I'd prefer it in a  full budget sequel but a nice Throne of Bhaal style expansion pack would work too.

I just want some new DA news on whatever their next big project is!

[Onyx Jaguar]

I've learned to ignore the Epilogues as they add nothing to the experience and seem like more of a copout for your actions within the game.



I mean the last couple choices in Awakening were far better than anything in the original DA in how they affected gameplay. However most of the epilogue dealt with what happens to your companions, and you did the *SPOILERS* instead of a crappy epilogue you should have went back and saw what happened first hand.



I think moving forward the writers should disregard what happens in the epilogues in both games.

[Brockololly]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I think moving forward the writers should disregard what happens in the epilogues in both games.

I think the way they wrote the epilogues, they wrote most of them in such a way that whats in them could just be construed as rumors or hearsay , so if they want, they could ignore them or change stuff up going forward.

My issue with the epilogues is that they should be used to tie stuff up and not introduce tons of new questions (I'm looking at the Morrigan epilogue). At least in Awakening, the epilogue slides are the primary way you get any "conseqeuence" for most of the actions you take within the game which is pretty weak, IMO. I'd just like to see the consequences for your actions in game as much as possible, not just in some powerpoint slides.

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 juin 2010 - 04:18 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hell I don't think they were even used as consequences for your actions in the political arena (unless my epilogue was bugged). That part of the game was interesting, that should have been reflected more in game. Instead it was "do these things" then after you get everyone you get back and "the game is ending"



Should have been given more dev time as as of now Awakening is in between a sequel, a spinoff and an expansion. Has some strengths over Origins, has new weaknesses and some of the same weaknesses.

[Brockololly]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Should have been given more dev time as as of now Awakening is in between a sequel, a spinoff and an expansion. Has some strengths over Origins, has new weaknesses and some of the same weaknesses.

Yeah, ignoring the bugs and such (which is fairly hard to do), the overall plot of Awakening with the Architect and the smart darkspawn was great. The Vigil's Keep stuff and being Arl was, in theory, great. Awakening had a lot of cool ideas going for it, but in the end I just felt like it had some nice ideas but nothing was very well fleshed out  and executed with any kind of polish.

So I enjoyed Awakening well enough, but I feel like it was a squandered opportunity at making a truly great ex-pack and instead its only "meh, pretty good."

[Lucy Glitter]

Brockololly wrote...

Yup, all of the Wardens vanish or disappear at the end of Awakening. *sigh* I really, really, really hope BioWare doesn't just leave the Warden's story at that. The whole "mysteriously vanished" card wore out its welcome when Obsidian/Lucasarts screwed over Revan with it in KOTOR2.

Whenever someone mentions TSL, I get sad.

I swear, if that happens again, god. 

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Whenever someone mentions TSL, I get sad.

I swear, if that happens again, god. 

TSL wasn't a bad game at all, in many ways its even better than KOTOR1. But its just so incomplete in areas and the ending.... The ending wouldn't even have been so bad if they opted to do a proper single player KOTOR3, but noooo, we get TOR. I want to be interested and like TOR but I have no interest in MMOs and for all of the $$$ EA is supposedly dumping in it, it really doesn't look that impressive.... like, at all.

If BioWare just leaves the Warden out to dry with Revan and the Exile, I'll just have a little Exalted March to Edmonton!

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well they are similar in a way, it just felt like a chunk of Awakenings was missing at the end of the recruitment and before the final battles than the end...

[Lucy Glitter]

Brockololly wrote...

TSL wasn't a bad game at all, in many ways its even better than KOTOR1. But its just so incomplete in areas and the ending.... The ending wouldn't even have been so bad if they opted to do a proper single player KOTOR3, but noooo, we get TOR. I want to be interested and like TOR but I have no interest in MMOs and for all of the $$$ EA is supposedly dumping in it, it really doesn't look that impressive.... like, at all.

If BioWare just leaves the Warden out to dry with Revan and the Exile, I'll just have a little Exalted March to Edmonton!

Argh, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL! EXACTLY. I want to like TOR, but with the monthly payment and the art style (god, the models look horrific) I just cannot like it. 

They did leave a gap between TOR and KOTOR, though, so they are leaving the possibility of a sequel open. Hopefully. Hope hope hope.

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Well they are similar in a way, it just felt like a chunk of Awakenings was missing at the end of the recruitment and before the final battles than the end...

I agree. There was no bridging between finding recruits/helping Amaranthine and the final assault. Like in Origins, where you had a bridge between missions and endgame with Denerim. 

Plus, in my game I couldn't make my last companion go through the joining because that guy whatshisface wouldn't let me do anything but say no or yes to the final battle.

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Argh, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL! EXACTLY. I want to like TOR, but with the monthly payment and the art style (god, the models look horrific) I just cannot like it. 

They did leave a gap between TOR and KOTOR, though, so they are leaving the possibility of a sequel open. Hopefully. Hope hope hope.

*Internet high five!*

Yeah, I keenly remember back in 2008 when they announced they were making another KOTOR game. At first I was and then I read it would be an MMO and supposed to be KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7 and 8 that made me . To be fair, I don't think BioWare has announced the payment scheme, but I just hate the monthly payment idea for MMOs- thats a deal breaker right there. And like you said, the game itself from the models to the animations and the combat just does not look that good.  I get that its an MMO so it won't be tip top visually, but really? Watching some of the E3 videos of it in motion was borderline painful.

I too hope for a proper KOTOR3....lord knows it would sell well.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
I agree. There was no bridging between finding recruits/helping Amaranthine and the final assault. Like in Origins, where you had a bridge between missions and endgame with Denerim. 

Plus, in my game I couldn't make my last companion go through the joining because that guy whatshisface wouldn't let me do anything but say no or yes to the final battle.

The endgame stuff in Awakening just comes on waaaaaay too fast. Its like BioWare ran out of their budget and was like "Whoops! We've got to wrap this up!" And then you've got the Architect dumping heaps of revelations and exposition on you at the end. I understand Awakening is supposed to be more focused and a tighter narrative, but the ending stuff just feels way too rushed and hectic, IMO.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Victor Wachter wrote...

• (Awakening only) Players may now receive notes of appreciation from former love interests.

You have officially ruined my day life.

I reiterate - my life is ruined.

Also, Brockololly. It isn't good news. It's bad news. It means they didn't cut it out. It means they just intended LIs to be completely absent from Awakenings.

I swear, BioWare. I swear to some kind of God of Murdering... <_<

I agree with you people that a letter is not like having our LI with us into the game..

But I have to confess that after all this time, and after I had to wait the final text box just for see a little acknoweledge of my beloved I am happy to have AT LEAST this small thing into the game

I finished all my Awakening playtroughs 2 months ago and when I put the box into my library I promised "I will never play it again.. The only  reason for playing it again will be only if they will trigger those letters". And now I am going to keep my promise. Yes, I wasn't caring about Sigrun quest not completed or Velanna's quest not triggered.. I'll trash all my save games and will replay it for those letters.

And I'll do this mainly for a reason.. Maybe I am wrong but I have the feeling that the story of our Warden is over, therefore every little single thing which concern his story and his life it's worth it, and I don't wanna lose anything of it, even those small letters...

[Lucy Glitter]

I think i might replay it just for those letters for a bit of a conclusion for my PC in Awakening, too.

[Brockololly]

Once the new patch comes out I'll definitely go through Awakening one more time. Its sad- I've played through Origins probably 5 times yet Awakening I played once and really didn't even feel like going through again afterward, even knowing I missed a bunch of personal quests and such.

[Lucy Glitter]

Same...



We are so melancholy, heh.

[Brockololly]

We just need some SUPER AWESOME DA2 news to brighten our glum moods!

[Lucy Glitter]

Then I shall do a leprechaun dance and unleash my squee attack. da2 da2. Comeon, devs!