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[FieryDove]

blademaster7 wrote...

EDIT: Not trying to ***** about the fact that Morrigan's romance sucks or anything. I'm just letting you know that it could have been worse than a missing letter. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png I would still love to see it for my PC that romanced Leliana.

I don't know how people could have expected anything else from Morrigan. Alistair pegged her right, she's dangerous, evil and mean.

The missing letters are a disappointment but not unexpected when looking at the whole picture of continuity...or lack of. Sigh

[knittzu]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Unfortunately, the countdown is to some epic BioWare social network event. 

Are you serious?  Lord, WHO CARES about their social network event!  That's hardly worthy of cross-site countdown timers.   I had my hopes up for something awesome, too.

[Pocketgb]

Wow. I was a bit turned off by the lack of romances...but seriously, those are incredibly uplifting!

And while I'm more of a fan of Leliana than Zev, that letter confirms that his romance continues, something I heard didn't go on at the end of DA:O!

BIOWARE: WHYYYY

Modifié par Pocketgb, 28 mars 2010 - 01:01 .

[Lucy Glitter]

knittzu wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Unfortunately, the countdown is to some epic BioWare social network event. 

Are you serious?  Lord, WHO CARES about their social network event!  That's hardly worthy of cross-site countdown timers.   I had my hopes up for something awesome, too.

Welll, it might end up being awesome, who knows?

Pocketgb wrote...

BIOWARE: WHYYYY

I KNOWW! WHYYYYY?!?!?!

[Adanu]

I agree that it is good they put it in... it gives the feeling of simply being away from your old life. I still would have preferred some more nods though. I mean, this game seems to take place over a few months.

[Vox the devil_]

god the letters would have helped make so much sense. i mean im a morrigan man my self so i wasn't gonna get any love in awakening anyway but still.

as for people crying about the continuity. awakening takes place in a different land where some of the smaller choices dont have huge effects. its not like there is a dark fantasy facebook that they can all just hope on and talk to each other with. some of your bigger choices get mentioned (cept for US...oops) i wouldn't have really expected much more. although letters like in mass effect 2 would have been very nice touch.

Modifié par Vox the devil , 28 mars 2010 - 05:14 .

[TanithAeyrs]

I liked Awakening overall, but I would have loved to get a letter from Zev. A small nod to romance continuity would have been great.

[Malkavianqueen]

I know! This was so upsetting! T__T I mean, how hard would it have been to keep it in there! I was so upset there was no mention of Zevran in the game at all. I half expected there to be no mention of him in the epilogue, but I rushed though it anyway hoping to see something!



...I just hope this means they have other plans for him. Like a DLC. I'd be happy! It'd be worth it!

[Domyk]

Stoomkal wrote...

flarearrow wrote...

Maybe because the letters make references to what Zevran and Leiliana have been doing... Storylines they don't want to commit to at the moment.

...

This was the opinion in the other thread on this topic... and it is a load of BS.

Hopeful BS, though.

There is *NO* plan. There is *NO* continuity.

It is like saying whatever we do to the Architect will have an impact on the next game.

It won't...

Think about it: 

Exactly how much of your *real* decisions carried over? The broadest ones. Nothing specific. Even the vital and important aspects were not. Even the decisions in the slides were not.

The choices you made at the coronation? Nope. Your romance? Nope. Teryn of Gwaren? Nope. Statue in the courtyard? Nope. Freeing the Circle of Magi? Nope. Wynnes actual fate? Nope.

About the best is the King/Queen and Bhelen. That is it. Oh... Warden's Keep gets a mention.

Wow.

They were trying to give the illusion of choices carrying over, but I doubt they really gave a toss about it.

Anyone saying that they have an ultimate plan involving your love interest, and that is why they were not mentioned, is really fooling themselves.

I would be suprised if anything in Awakening is mentioned in any hypothetical sequel. Maybe "the keep fell" and that is it.

They have pretty much screwed us for continuity when you really examine what they have left us.

The letters would have been.... nice.... *sniff* 

No... No... I am not bitter...

You basically hit everything dead on.  good job in your evaluation, agree 100pct

[Lucy Glitter]

*sobs some more and agrees with Domyk*

[Addai]

Jaulen mentioned this but in case anyone missed it:  Not only was there a letter from Zevran in Awakening that you never got, there was a whole ending dialogue set in Origins that we never got.  New Zevran dialogue, very touching and squee-worthy, that was supposed to have been the goodbye at the gates all along.  Get ejoslin's mod here and prepare to melt.

Since finding that out, I'm no longer surprised that the devs were "meh" about making sure a bone was thrown to Origins romances in the expansion.  A non-king Alistair gets even shorter shrift.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 mars 2010 - 08:42 .

[Radahldo]

I always wondered why you could only say you loved him if you made him stay behind. That was really charming, why take that out?

[dewcrowe]

Kinda sucks the letters got pulled but still I'm glad I got to read them here.

[Sabriana]

Radahldo wrote...

I always wondered why you could only say you loved him if you made him stay behind. That was really charming, why take that out?

I wasn't taken out on purpose, Radahldo, it just never triggered properly for the vast majority of players. The flag was bugged, and Ejoslin fixed it.

[Lucy Glitter]

Addai67 wrote...

Since finding that out, I'm no longer surprised that the devs were "meh" about making sure a bone was thrown to Origins romances in the expansion.  A non-king Alistair gets even shorter shrift.

They haven't even said anything, really. They now only seem to throw retorts at trolls and announce things :/ Maybe they are busy?

So does non-king Ally actually even get screen time?

[ejoslin]

Radahldo wrote...

I always wondered why you could only say you loved him if you made him stay behind. That was really charming, why take that out?

It wasn't taken out.  There's a bug in there is all.  It would have taken someone who knows what they're doing about, oh, 2 minutes to fix.  If that.  I managed to find a workaround quite quickly.  So yeh, don't hold your breath about either the letters or the Morrigan epilogue card.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[Lucy Glitter]

ejoslin wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I always wondered why you could only say you loved him if you made him stay behind. That was really charming, why take that out?

It wasn't taken out.  There's a bug in there is all.  It would have taken someone who knows what they're doing about, oh, 2 minutes to fix.  If that.  I managed to find a workaround quite quickly.  So yeh, don't hold your breath about either the letters or the Morrigan epilogue card.

I downloaded it Can't wait to play it!

[marcus.wright]

my leliana T^T that letter was heart griping

[angj57]

knittzu wrote...

This would have assuaged quite a bit of my annoyance with Awakenings. A letter explaining why I am entering battle without my bound-for-life war dog would have been nice, too, but I guess they were too busy "fixing" the "broken" dialog system.

Yes, I too would have liked a letter from my dog lol. He'd better not have run off with Sten or Eamon!

[ejoslin]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I always wondered why you could only say you loved him if you made him stay behind. That was really charming, why take that out?

It wasn't taken out.  There's a bug in there is all.  It would have taken someone who knows what they're doing about, oh, 2 minutes to fix.  If that.  I managed to find a workaround quite quickly.  So yeh, don't hold your breath about either the letters or the Morrigan epilogue card.

I downloaded it Can't wait to play it!

*grin* Enjoy it!  When I saw the "in love" dialog the toolset, I was inspired to make my first mod -- and it didn't take me long to figure out a workaround. I'm hoping that the toolset for awakening comes out soon so the letters can be added back in.  Really, though, it makes no sense that they weren't added.  It's hard to say whether they were actually cut, or if they were going to be added at the last minute and it just didn't make it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 mars 2010 - 03:06 .

[Addai]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

So does non-king Ally actually even get screen time?

Nope, he's vanished.  No screen time and nary a mention, or so I've heard.

Off scouting new cheese supply routes in the Anderfels, perhaps.

[sami jo]

Given the sheer number of bugs in this game, my money is on the lack of letters simply being yet another bug. It doesn't really seem as though they spent a lot of time creating extra content that they then had to cut. Their patches have created almost as many bugs as they have fixed thus far.

The epilogues were so vague that they could be twisted into just about anything in the future, though my Warden's future wasn't looking very bright at the end of Awakenings. Apparently, only human nobles on the throne actually get a decent ending. The epilogues would bother me less if they weren't the polar opposite of my Origins epilogue (it's not as if I wrote the darn thing!). I haven't minded my Orlesian warden PC, but I haven't been inspired enough to go back and actually finish that game.

I know people keep complaining about how silly it is for folks to get so worked up about their romances, but it was just about impossible to play through Origins without one (or several). I don't need romance in my RPG, but when I play through an entire 80+ hr game with a romance, it breaks RP for that to suddenly be gone.

[Jaws_Victim]

Ok, I admit I'm disappointed by the lack of letters. But I'm willing to give it a pass when you consider how MUCH there is to the first game to carry over. It would probably take a year just to get enough letters to get implemented to be satisfactory for all the choices you made in the first game.



Personally, I'm more concerned about rumors that you won't get to play your PC in the next DA game. I want everything to carry over and continue my romance with Zevran!

[Lucy Glitter]

Jaws_Victim wrote...

Ok, I admit I'm disappointed by the lack of letters. But I'm willing to give it a pass when you consider how MUCH there is to the first game to carry over. It would probably take a year just to get enough letters to get implemented to be satisfactory for all the choices you made in the first game. 

Personally, I'm more concerned about rumors that you won't get to play your PC in the next DA game. I want everything to carry over and continue my romance with Zevran!

You can make a workaround for these things, such as keeping them vague. No matter what you chose with you romance at the endgame, having them go away somewhere is easy to implement. That letter could work with all endings, even if you decided to travel with your loved one (remember it said, "For a time"?) so I don't think that's a viable excuse from them imho.

Apart from ME2 (which barely counts), I've never seen (correct me if I am wrong) a game with continued romances. I have always dreamed of having my PC go through a normal relationship with their beloved in a sequel. 

In the end, whatever choices you made, it is certain that all your Origins companions and you went off together (or at least most) so, I don't see how in another expansion, they couldn't have slight but rather simple variables. Such as how you handled the relationship, a mention of your background here and there, mentions of who is ruler... sure, they add VO cost, but in the end, it is worth it. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of people getting incredibly pissed off at the company for cutting costs.

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

So does non-king Ally actually even get screen time?

Nope, he's vanished.  No screen time and nary a mention, or so I've heard.

This is from the Epilogue (Non-King)

If the Warden is not married to Alistair, but in a romance, she returns to her love and continues serving the Wardens with him at her side. Nothing more is heard from them after a few years, and some say they undertook a mission for the Wardens elsewhere, or just disappeared. Most assume however that their tale is far from complete.

That's the only mention of him.

Lame.