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[Onyx Jaguar]

Cascadus wrote...

I don't see how Atlus is whoring Persona out. We haven't gotten to ungodly numbers yet and Atlus has ALWAYS been a quality company. MegaTen is essentially their flagship franchise and Persona does the best out of all of them. Besides, the Persona games are BRILLIANT.
And Strange Journey IS a true sequel to the 'main' SMT franchise (following Nocturne, I believe).

Well, I'm just worried that once Persona 3 hit, Persona 4 was announced shortly after.  But I guess its been a little while since Persona 4 was released, for some reason I thought it was released not that long ago but after checking I was a bit wrong.  

[the_one_54321]

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
No one is trying to prove that they are making it. No one has even claimed that they are making it. 
[/quote] No one but you. [/quote]
Wtf is wrong with you, seriously? I never said "they are making it" and no one, inculding me, has implied that htey must be working on it right now.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
The CEO said that they are looking into how they can get it done. [/quote]  Doesn't mean they are developing it or will develop it.[/quote]
No S*** Sherlcok. Do you any other completely obvious statments to make? Or are you just going to continue repeating half the things I've said as if I hadn't said them already?

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
Newest press release: the CEO said they have the idea on the table and are looking at how it can be done.
[/quote] News Flash: Looking into it doesn't mean they are/or will develop it. Again, prove up or shut the hell up.[/quote]
You're just not going to be happy until you get that foot all the way in there are you...

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
Interview with Kitase: it will be very difficult because towns have too much detail in HD and it would take a very long time to do.[/quote] And FF versus XIII has a full world map complete with towns. I call BS, and only morons like you believe everything they throw at you.[/quote]
First of all, FFXIII:V has not been announced to have full towns. It has been announced to have a world map that you get to explore with an airship. Second of all, you asked for sources and I gave them to you. It is the sign of a losing argument to respond to evidence with "I don't accept your evidence." Again, you're full of it.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
Interview with Kitase: as long as people keep asking questions he'll be happy to answer them because he likes talking about it.[/quote]  Irrelevant, does not prove remake is in the works.[/quote]
It wasn't intended to prove that, smart guy. Again, no one is claiming that the game is being remade right now. Just becuase you keep telling us that we're saying that doesn't mean that we are saying it. You don't get to decide what I'm trying to say, no matter how much it might help your argument.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
Interview with Kitase: there is tons of fan support for doing the remake.
[/quote]  Correction, vocal minority. Not tons.[/quote]
Oh, man, now I have to call BS. Your eyes are firmly shut if you don't just accept this one. They got so many fan responses just from Japan when they put this idea out that they had to ask the fans to please stop sending in the responses. The support is huge and you're just being an obstinate moron if you won't take this into consideration.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
[quote]the_one_54321 wrote...
Those of the things I said, and there is the proof straight from the men's mouths.
[/quote]  Right just like how moments ago, you typed this :[quote] No one is trying to prove that they are making it. No one has even claimed that they are making it.[/quote] [/quote]

The things I said were about towns, desire to make the project, lots of fans wanting it, and the CEO putting the project on the table. Open your eyes for a moment and read, instead of trying so desparately to put words in my mouth. Again, just because you want me to say something doesn't mean I'm saying it.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
Contradicting yourself like a complete an utter moron. Its no surprise seeing this is the typical behaviour of an otaku that fanatically worships japanese culture.[/quote]
And this has gotten you reported for hate speech. Don't bother arguing, the PM has already been sent to a mod.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
especially when their actions contradict their statements. How could they not have included towns in FFXIII because its "too much
work to do in HD" when they frickin implemented a world map , towns
and an airship  in Versus XIII? People like you are so damn
guillible and don't have the brain to think for themselves.[/quote]
I'm sure that you've noticed how Versus has been in development longer than XIII, and how it's not released yet. Have you paused to think even for a moment that the development team is capable of learning and improving as they work on a project? That they might be able to try larger more impressive things on subsequent projects using what they learned on the previous project? It's not all that far fetched.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
You purposely ignored this because you don't want to accept  that you're wrong. Period.[/quote]
Once again, you don't get to decide what I've said. And everything you've said is based around an argument that I never even made. I am not trying to say that they have the project already in the works.

[quote]SithLordExarKun wrote...
Right, because if i was really 12 years old and handed you your ass like that, its something you ought to be ashamed for. Seriously, this is probably the most cliche insult on the internet and only guillible morons than lose a debate resort to this insult.

[/quote]
Oh yes, clearly you've owned me. /sarcasm

Want a summary of the support for all the claims you've made?
"I said that you said it, therefore you must have," and "I said it, therefore it must be true." 

Yeah, pure ownage.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 mars 2010 - 05:18 .

[SithLordExarKun]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Wtf is wrong with you, seriously? I never said "they are making it" and no one, inculding me, has implied that htey must be working on it right now.

You didn't say they are making it(i made the wrong accusations), you implied that they will make it no matter what. Thats the impression you have been giving.

Im just asking you to prove they will make it because this is the very thing i heard 6 years ago from even more disturbing FF fanboys and to this day not a single thing has actually been done. They consider the "possibility" of remaking it but that doesn't actually mean they will make it.

You keep trying to shove down my throat that  because "a large crow demands so and theres a pile of money to be made" and using that as your initial argument as to why the will remake it, that was what set me off, i do apologize if i was being rude, but i didn't appreciate the fact that you tried to force your view down my throat.

the_one_54321 wrote...
First of all, FFXIII:V has not been announced to have full towns. It has been announced to have a world map that you get to explore with an airship.

Which alone already debunks the claim that  "Its too much work to implement towns in HD" BS argument. Really, it takes  a lot more  work to make an explorable world map than implement a town.  In fact the keyword from your  sources was "too much work", not "impossible" to implement a town in HD. Just look at FFXII and the sheer scale of towns, it sure as hell took "alot of work" but it wan't impossible.

In fact you actually believe that SE didn't implement towns in XIII because it "took too much work" when i call BS on that one because that is a very unprofessional excuse to not implement something that they did before in previous games, they were just being lazy and made a bad excuse to cover their asses.

I am just saying i simply don't believe that that is their true  reason as to why they didn't implement towns. Just like how i don't exactly believe the governments rationale for invading Iraq.

Besides, contary to your claims, "too much work" is only part  of the reason, not the sole reason. The source you gave me :http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177829

the_one_54321 wrote...
Second of all, you asked for sources and I gave them to you. It is the sign of a losing argument to respond to evidence with "I don't accept your evidence." Again, you're full of it.

  I didn't say i didn't accept them, i just questioned your tendency to believe them so easily.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Again, no one is claiming that the game is being remade right now. Just becuase you keep telling us that we're saying that doesn't mean that we are saying it. You don't get to decide what I'm trying to say, no matter how much it might help your argument.

  So what exactly are you trying to prove here? Just answer this one question.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
I'm sure that you've noticed how Versus has been in development longer than XIII, and how it's not released yet. Have you paused to think even for a moment that the development team is capable of learning and improving as they work on a project? That they might be able to try larger more impressive things on subsequent projects using what they learned on the previous project? It's not all that far fetched.

Not at all which is why i disbelieve their rationale of not including towns in FFXIII, its not out of their power and implementing towns is something they have done since the very first FF.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 27 mars 2010 - 05:54 .

[the_one_54321]

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Im just asking you to prove they will make it because this is the very thing i heard 6 years ago from even more disturbing FF fanboys and to this day not a single thing has actually been done.

Things are very different now. It comes up in the questions you raise a little ahead.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Really, it takes  a lot more  work to make an explorable world map than implement a town.  In fact the keyword from your  sources was "too much work", not "impossible" to implement a town in HD. Just look at FFXII and the sheer scale of towns, it sure as hell took "alot of work" but it wan't impossible.

In fact you actually believe that SE didn't implement towns in XIII because it "took too much work" when i call BS on that one because that is a very unprofessional excuse to not implement something that they did before in previous games, they were just being lazy and made a bad excuse to cover their asses.

He explains it if you read deeper intot he interview.

It was doable in older games, and they could do it again, but to be able to make it look good in HD it would just take too much darn time. But that was the deciding factor years ago. Keep in mind that they haven't had a fully explorable overworld in an FF since IX. Since then you only get to visit specific locales, or as in XII you got to wander everywhere on foot or jump from city to city directly by airship. Versus is the first time they've tried to include that overworld map since the PS1. That is a lot of support for two points: it's very hard to do right, and Versus is a very ambitious venture. A month or so back when they announced the airship and the overworld, they also announced that Versus was changing gears and wouldn't be ready for GDC or E3 as a result. It all fits together fairly well.

Large scale HD environments are hard to do.
Takes more time.
They haven't tried to do it since the PS1.
After the experience of FFXIII they are going to give it a try again.
Game development get's pushed back some as a resutl.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Besides, contary to your claims, "too much work" is only part  of the reason, not the sole reason. The source you gave me :http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3177829

Well yeah. It's not the whole reason.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
So what exactly are you trying to prove here? Just answer this one question.

Only what I've said above.

Also that square really needs to make this game. That was based on:
Staff and director want to make it.
Fans want them to make it.
They can make lots of money doing it.

SithLordExarKun wrote...
Not at all which is why i disbelieve their rationale of not including towns in FFXIII, its not out of their power and implementing towns is something they have done since the very first FF.

Well again, it's never been done in HD before. And they're looking to give it a try now that they have some serious experience with the architecture. One could compare it to the difference between FFX and FFXII. Which is why a remake of FFVII is a real possibility now, whereas back when they were first talking about it, the project would have just been too large to be reasonable.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 27 mars 2010 - 06:25 .

[Mr.Skar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Cascadus wrote...

I don't see how Atlus is whoring Persona out. We haven't gotten to ungodly numbers yet and Atlus has ALWAYS been a quality company. MegaTen is essentially their flagship franchise and Persona does the best out of all of them. Besides, the Persona games are BRILLIANT.
And Strange Journey IS a true sequel to the 'main' SMT franchise (following Nocturne, I believe).

Well, I'm just worried that once Persona 3 hit, Persona 4 was announced shortly after.  But I guess its been a little while since Persona 4 was released, for some reason I thought it was released not that long ago but after checking I was a bit wrong.  

To be fair I think it was about a year between P3 and P4. As much as I enjoyed P4 (I actually think it's the better of the two, story, gameplay, characters, the whole deal) it was using the same engine and game changes. Just a couple of combat tweaks and the system was the same. More excited about P5 than I should be since I don't own a PS3.

[Elios]

lol FFVII fanboys really
yea SQ-E will get right on that....




























after FFXV...


















































maybe.

Modifié par Elios, 28 mars 2010 - 12:26 .

[TheMufflon]

Beetgreen wrote...

So basically, the CEO of Square-Enix decided that a project as lucrative as remaking the most critically acclaimed RPG of all time was too fortuitous an opportunity to neglect.

Square-Enix is remaking Baldur's Gate 2!?!

[Wicked 702]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

I dare to hope it's a good sign that we haven't heard much about a FF7 PS3 remake, because it can allow me to dare to hope that they would be taking their sweet time & doing whatever it takes to make the remake with care, attention, & quality, & maybe clean up some of the old negative bugs while they're at it.

Fast trash is NOT better. I also think if they're already working on it, keeping it a secret is a good idea, then they won't have us 'rabid' fans breathing down their necks making them nervous & causing costly slip-ups & mistakes.

If it were to ever come out, I wanna see it come out a fully finished, polished, shining glory of a remake! Waiting is worth it.

My sentiments exactly. Well said sir.

[addiction21]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

I dare to hope it's a good sign that we haven't heard much about a FF7 PS3 remake, because it can allow me to dare to hope that they would be taking their sweet time & doing whatever it takes to make the remake with care, attention, & quality, & maybe clean up some of the old negative bugs while they're at it.

Fast trash is NOT better. I also think if they're already working on it, keeping it a secret is a good idea, then they won't have us 'rabid' fans breathing down their necks making them nervous & causing costly slip-ups & mistakes.

If it were to ever come out, I wanna see it come out a fully finished, polished, shining glory of a remake! Waiting is worth it.

My sentiments exactly. Well said sir.

If you look at the examples we have of those they have rereleased or remade then there will be some extra fluff to it. What that is well, thats hard to say. For example they did a fullblown 16bit remake of FF1 and for FF tactics they added a whole slew of moves (and fixed the damned translation) so who knows.

Adding to the story and areas and whatnot is tricky business. If they extend the story then it should be made to fit and that means adding more to the original story to make it fit.  I look at it like a autor trying to add some more chapters to a book. It can not be forced so the rest of the story needs to be tweaked so it flows.

Just spitballing here but somethings they could do to make it easier is expand on the whole soliders aspect with (i think i have the names right its been a very long time) or zach, cloud and sephiroth. Or even add a whole new segment of game that covers advent children. That way with they could just recycle the movies scenes into cutscenes.

I dunno I am not the biggest fan of 7 (6 being by far a better story imho) but it was a good game.

[MaaZeus]

I would be more thrilled with FFVI remake, but if FFVII gets remade I will definetly buy it, I loved that game.

Lets face it, FFVII has not aged well. Its a great game, bit overrated but definetly worth of the praise it has had. But it is buttugly.
FFVI and other SNES RPGs have ageless and beautifull sprite graphics that can last the flow of time forever, something you cannot say the garbage polygon graphics with low resolution prerendered backgrounds of FFVII. Hell graphics were badly designed (with club-arms and all) back then when it was released, and now they are just painfull to watch. Or atleast PC version, which I own or atleast owned (cant find the damn discs), is bad as prerendered backgrounds are noticeably low-res on high resolution (well high and high, 640x480 ) setting. Not to mention it doesnt even work anymore on modern computers IIRC, cant test it for obvious reasons.

Not a graphicswh**e, but when something is beautiful it will stay beautiful forever to me, nostalgia will even enhance it. But something that was buttugly from day one will only get worse. And FFVII graphics design bother me to point that I cant play it, even if I had the discs.

All in all, I would be VERY happy to get a graphics overhaul of FFVII, and gameplay improvement are a bonus as long as they dont screw up the core. I hope Squeenix does this remake, and preferably do it well.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 29 mars 2010 - 04:49 .

[Balerion84]

bobobo878 wrote...

Most critically acclaimed rpg of all time? I thought that was kotor.

I don't know what you are smoking, but that's some quality stuff dude! 
Everyone knows it's Baldur's Gate 2, duh.

As for FFVII, they are looking into for years... nothing new... but if they actually remake it someday, I'll be sure picking it up. The best FF game getting even better? Sure, sign me up.

P.S. I agree, the early 3D games don't age well, unlike 2D games 

Modifié par Balerion84, 29 mars 2010 - 05:07 .

[JHorwath]

Hmm, maybe I should sell my copy of FFVII for the ps. I wonder if the value will drop if a remake is done? Funny, but two games I have are actually worth money. FFVII and Lunar for the SEGA CD. I heard stories of Lunar going for upwards of 300 bucks.

Modifié par JHorwath, 29 mars 2010 - 07:17 .

[Tyrax Lightning]

MaaZeus wrote...

I would be more thrilled with FFVI remake, but if FFVII gets remade I will definetly buy it, I loved that game.

Lets face it, FFVII has not aged well. Its a great game, bit overrated but definetly worth of the praise it has had. But it is buttugly.
FFVI and other SNES RPGs have ageless and beautifull sprite graphics that can last the flow of time forever, something you cannot say the garbage polygon graphics with low resolution prerendered backgrounds of FFVII. Hell graphics were badly designed (with club-arms and all) back then when it was released, and now they are just painfull to watch. Or atleast PC version, which I own or atleast owned (cant find the damn discs), is bad as prerendered backgrounds are noticeably low-res on high resolution (well high and high, 640x480 ) setting. Not to mention it doesnt even work anymore on modern computers IIRC, cant test it for obvious reasons.

Not a graphicswh**e, but when something is beautiful it will stay beautiful forever to me, nostalgia will even enhance it. But something that was buttugly from day one will only get worse. And FFVII graphics design bother me to point that I cant play it, even if I had the discs.

All in all, I would be VERY happy to get a graphics overhaul of FFVII, and gameplay improvement are a bonus as long as they dont screw up the core. I hope Squeenix does this remake, and preferably do it well.

Like I said before, PS3 Graphics powered Tifa can only be a good thing! I also agree on the poor aging of the old school 3d graphics as well.

FF13's Lightning & co. look stunning on the PS3, so surely Tifa can too! <3

[Tyrax Lightning]

Oh, I just remembered! In the original game, Tifa's final weapon struggles at being a worthy weapon for reasons I don't dare elaborate on to avoid game spoiling. I hope if the remake is made, this gets addressed.

[Tekbear]

that would be a BIG project indeed. who is supposed to make all that? setting the FF VII world to todays standards would devour unbelievable amounts of manpower.



I would totally LOVE it though!

[MaaZeus]

Tekbear wrote...

that would be a BIG project indeed. who is supposed to make all that? setting the FF VII world to todays standards would devour unbelievable amounts of manpower.

I would totally LOVE it though!

I've been thinking and dont really understand what would be so difficult in bringing FFVII to modern era. I mean, if they aim to make it work like FFXIII then its definetly risky effort with high risk of doom, but FFXIII and FFVII are so different games. Latter can have plenty or corners cut without loss of actual quality, so to speak.

FFVII had slight anime look, so if they keep similar "cartoonish" style in mind, they dont have to pay that much attention to every little texture and model detail. Not exactly cellshading. While it can be pretty (tales of vesperia is gorgeous game) and would fit FFVII's animeish look, it would be too extreme but idea is there. RL look everywhere is not necessarily mandatory when it comes to cartoonish style of art. Makes designing towns bit simpler that way too.

Voice acting could be a problem, if they aim to voice-act EVERYONE. But must every little average joe on town X complaining about hot day have voice acting? Arent text boxes more than enough for those? This is how traditional jRPGs on modern systems work IIRC, and FFVII is one of the traditional ones.


This is just my take on the subject, thoughts?

[MaaZeus]

Like I said before, PS3 Graphics powered Tifa can only be a good thing! I also agree on the poor aging of the old school 3d graphics as well.

FF13's Lightning & co. look stunning on the PS3, so surely Tifa can too! <3

Mmmm... Physics engine...

[Tyrax Lightning]

I agree, the original didn't need voice acting, why would the remake? Especially since they might not be able to get together all of the Voice Cast from the Advent Children Movie.

[MaaZeus]

Tyrax Lightning wrote...

I agree, the original didn't need voice acting, why would the remake? Especially since they might not be able to get together all of the Voice Cast from the Advent Children Movie.

Im not against complete lack of voice acting. Transition and otherwise important scenes should have voice acting, but going around in town talking to unimportant people, textboxes are all we need really.

[Hader102]

never was a FF7 person, but I Guess it couldn't be too bad...

[chiliztri]

The should approach voice acting the way they did in FFVII Crisis Core.



Certain otherwise story important cutscenes, CGI cutscenes, battle reactions, etc...



Running up to a random stranger in the street only needed a text box.

[SithLordExarKun]

I would sure as hell like an FFVII remake, only problem theres no confirmed fact that it may be developed but its possible.



I just pray that it doesn't go down the path of FFXIII.