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[padaE]

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

From my pov the Floatilla would be no match for a trully military fleet. Numbers alone say nothing.
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And the Volus are superb economist, and that don't lead them to the almost self destruction.

Volus are selfish, materialistic economists. They hoard money and possesions for themselves without concern for the galaxy's fate.

If you pay a Vorcha and give him a weapon, he'll fight on your side against the Reapers. If you pay a Volus and give him a weapon, he'll take the money, sell the weapon, and hire a Krogan to protect him from you.

Unless he's a biotic god. Then he'll simply throw Harbinger around like a rag doll.

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Does your assumption change the fact they are brilliant economists?

Doesn't change the fact that they're the most useless against the Reapers.

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So? I didn't ask that... but feel free to say whatever you like

[InvaderErl]

The Quarian fleet actually has its fair share of economic and political power, though perhaps not in the traditional sense.



Don't forget Tali can get that woman to buy the Quarian's contract with the THREAT of a blockade from the Migrant fleet.

[Speakeasy13]

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

From my pov the Floatilla would be no match for a trully military fleet. Numbers alone say nothing.
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And the Volus are superb economist, and that don't lead them to the almost self destruction.

Volus are selfish, materialistic economists. They hoard money and possesions for themselves without concern for the galaxy's fate.

If you pay a Vorcha and give him a weapon, he'll fight on your side against the Reapers. If you pay a Volus and give him a weapon, he'll take the money, sell the weapon, and hire a Krogan to protect him from you.

Unless he's a biotic god. Then he'll simply throw Harbinger around like a rag doll.

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Does your assumption change the fact they are brilliant economists?

Doesn't change the fact that they're the most useless against the Reapers.

I agree the Volus we ran into in ME2 do tend to behave that way, but there's hardly a representation of the Volus species as a whole. We've known a few sympathetic and kind Volus back in ME1, and if the majority of Volus are indeed such scumbags, I think it'd have left enough of an impression to be stated in the Codex.

[Vaenier]

I do expect more from the Quarians, but Bioware has writen them into a hole and instead of trying to fix it, just takes a dump on them and moves on

[Hadark]

Why would the Vorcha even brought into this topic?

Aren't they pretty much like talking rodents, an infestation?

[InvaderErl]

Vaenier wrote...

I do expect more from the Quarians, but Bioware has writen them into a hole and instead of trying to fix it, just takes a dump on them and moves on

???

I thought they set them up for 3 quite nicely.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hadark wrote...

Why would the Vorcha even brought into this topic?
Aren't they pretty much like talking rodents, an infestation?

Rodents with guns and flamethrowers?  I like this plan!

[InvaderErl]

Sounds like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle badguy.

[Ecael]

padaE wrote...

So? I didn't ask that... but feel free to say whatever you like

[InvaderErl]

That's true. Those dirty dirty Volus.

[thepringle]

well the Rayya would make one badass dreadnought if they could make have peace with the geth and got their home world back

[Jonathan Shepard]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

The Vorcha are barely sapient. Can they really be counted as a race?

I don't think you can judge one race as better than the other because all sapient beings should be equal. That said, in economic sense the Quarians are indeed among the least powerful, but how much of that is due to their innate incapability, or is due to the discrimination imposed on them by the rest of the galaxy?

That said, I do have a problem with the Quarians. They seem to be a bunch of overt collectivist who doesn't seem to appreciate such modern virtues of human rights and free thought. And until they do I don't think our opinion of them are going to change.

They have learned nothing from the ordeal they had to endure BY THEIR OWN MISTAKES. Qwib-Qwib was the only Quarian we run into who even acknowledge that what they did to the Geth was a mistake. And the possibility of ANOTHER genocidal war attempt upon the Geth? Have them learn nothing?

This pretty much sums up all the logical reasons for hating the Quarians. Which I kinda do. They're almost as bad as the turian councilor. Geth >>>>>>>>>>>> Quarians. 

Exponentially.

[AngryFrozenWater]

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
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That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

The quarians were kicked off their planet because they were trying to wipe out a sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. The first communication that the geth had with their creators was war. There was no notification, there was no negotiation. There was just the intent of destruction.

The geth decimated the quarians until they were no longer a threat. Instead of destroying the quarians they implicitely declared a single sided peace by ending the war and the geth isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy in the systems
beyond the Perseus Veil. They stayed their for about 2 to 3 centuries. In that time they didn't attack the quarians nor any other species.

The first that we hear from the geth after that are the heretics which served Nazara. These are the ones that Shepard fought and the geth had nothing to do with that.

The quarians are not helpless victims, they are the aggressors in the war. And should be treated that way.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 mars 2010 - 03:43 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

The volus may not be a great military power, but there is little doubt that their economical prowess has allowed the bigger races to become just that. The value of the volus is in their usefulness. Same goes for the vorcha, which are at the very least a decent addition to every Blood Pack squad.



Quarians are truly useless in every meaning of the word.

[InvaderErl]

Kaiser is just biased.



And he is also racist.



I saw it with my own eyes.

[kregano]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

The quarians were kicked off their planet because they were trying to wipe out a sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. The first communication that the geth had with their creators was war. There was no notification, there was no negotiation. There was just the intent of destruction.

The geth decimated the quarians until they were no longer a threat. Instead of destroying the quarians they implicitely declared a single sided peace by ending the war and the geth isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy in the systems
beyond the Perseus Veil. They stayed their for about 2 to 3 centuries. In that time they didn't attack the quarians nor any other species.

The first that we hear from the geth after that are the heretics which served Nazara. These are the ones that Shepard fought and the geth had nothing to do with that.

The quarians are not helpless victims, they are the aggressors in the war. And should be treated that way.

Actually, I think the Council played a major part in the quarians decision to wage war against the geth. Remember, the Council put up prohibitions against AI research for whatever reason and the quarians probably feared the Council would respond to the fact that the geth might be sapient in a heavy handed manner, especially after the turians got a seat for deploying the genophage on the krogan. The quarians basically were between a rock and a hard place and took what seemed to be the best solution to the problem at the time. I think that the quarians' anger toward the geth is at least in part redirected anger at the Council for forcing them into their current position by railroading them down a self-destructive path and then leaving them to rot in space for violating a heavyhanded policy.

[Texaboose]

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

In Ascension, TIM badly wants access to the Migrant Fleet because he recognizes it as a force to reckon with. The majority of the ships are still armed and armored from the war with the Geth. Granted, some of them are 300 years old, but there's still thousands of them.

Their military force can't hold in a battle of attricion (as mentioned by Kal'Raaga), so they have to use hit and run tactics - but the asari forces do the same, so it's not a far comparision to say one is less then the other in that regard too.

The quarian society is remarkably self-sufficient and determind and, again in Ascention (as that's we get a good look at the quarians), the one of the main characters ends up admiring this hidden part of quarian society.

As for finding a planet to settle - it's been hard for them to find the right planet that is similar to their homeworld. Their homeplanets had symbiotic viruses (from memory) that benefitted. To find a similar ecosystem is next to impossible. Even when their immune system wasn't shot to hell, they had trouble settling other planets and had to go through gene-therpy and had to adapt over many years to that planet. That's why they're so determind to get their homeworlds back too.

So to say the quarians are the 'worst' race is totally unjustified.

[Vaenier]

Why would, after 300 long years, just get another damn planet already and start rebuilding their numbers...? Its just stupid they are confining themselves to ship life and strangling themselves...

[InvaderErl]

Texaboose wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
.
They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
.
They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

In Ascension, TIM badly wants access to the Migrant Fleet because he recognizes it as a force to reckon with. The majority of the ships are still armed and armored from the war with the Geth. Granted, some of them are 300 years old, but there's still thousands of them.

Their military force can't hold in a battle of attricion (as mentioned by Kal'Raaga), so they have to use hit and run tactics - but the asari forces do the same, so it's not a far comparision to say one is less then the other in that regard too.

The quarian society is remarkably self-sufficient and determind and, again in Ascention (as that's we get a good look at the quarians), the one of the main characters ends up admiring this hidden part of quarian society.

As for finding a planet to settle - it's been hard for them to find the right planet that is similar to their homeworld. Their homeplanets had symbiotic viruses (from memory) that benefitted. To find a similar ecosystem is next to impossible. Even when their immune system wasn't shot to hell, they had trouble settling other planets and had to go through gene-therpy and had to adapt over many years to that planet. That's why they're so determind to get their homeworlds back too.

So to say the quarians are the 'worst' race is totally unjustified.

What texaboose said.

[kregano]

Vaenier wrote...

Why would, after 300 long years, just get another damn planet already and start rebuilding their numbers...? Its just stupid they are confining themselves to ship life and strangling themselves...

In ME2 it's explained that it would take like 600 years or something like that for quarian immune systems to adjust to a new world compared to 60 if they retook their homeworld.

[AngryFrozenWater]

kregano wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
.
They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
.
They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
.
The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

The quarians were kicked off their planet because they were trying to wipe out a sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. The first communication that the geth had with their creators was war. There was no notification, there was no negotiation. There was just the intent of destruction.

The geth decimated the quarians until they were no longer a threat. Instead of destroying the quarians they implicitely declared a single sided peace by ending the war and the geth isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy in the systems
beyond the Perseus Veil. They stayed their for about 2 to 3 centuries. In that time they didn't attack the quarians nor any other species.

The first that we hear from the geth after that are the heretics which served Nazara. These are the ones that Shepard fought and the geth had nothing to do with that.

The quarians are not helpless victims, they are the aggressors in the war. And should be treated that way.

Actually, I think the Council played a major part in the quarians decision to wage war against the geth. Remember, the Council put up prohibitions against AI research for whatever reason and the quarians probably feared the Council would respond to the fact that the geth might be sapient in a heavy handed manner, especially after the turians got a seat for deploying the genophage on the krogan. The quarians basically were between a rock and a hard place and took what seemed to be the best solution to the problem at the time. I think that the quarians' anger toward the geth is at least in part redirected anger at the Council for forcing them into their current position by railroading them down a self-destructive path and then leaving them to rot in space for violating a heavyhanded policy.

Nah. The quarians created that sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. And thus they have a responsibility for their well being. Just like in a parent child relation. If you bring a child onto a world and you abuse and neglect that child then every news channel on the extranet is on top of that. If the quarians were really that concerned they should have started a dialogue with the geth. Listen carefully what Tali has to say about the topic. The quarians paniced, because they knew that the Council would disagree with what they've created and thus tried to shut the geth down. The geth merely defended themselves (Shepard even tells Tali that), just like any other species would do against their opressors.

If the Council knew what had happened and if they were really sincere then they should have protected the geth. They failed to do that.

There was no sign that the geth would be violent. The geth didn't attack. The geth were attacked. Notihing more. Nothing less.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 26 mars 2010 - 04:09 .

[padaE]

Texaboose wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
.
They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
.
They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
.
The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

In Ascension, TIM badly wants access to the Migrant Fleet because he recognizes it as a force to reckon with. The majority of the ships are still armed and armored from the war with the Geth. Granted, some of them are 300 years old, but there's still thousands of them.

Their military force can't hold in a battle of attricion (as mentioned by Kal'Raaga), so they have to use hit and run tactics - but the asari forces do the same, so it's not a far comparision to say one is less then the other in that regard too.

The quarian society is remarkably self-sufficient and determind and, again in Ascention (as that's we get a good look at the quarians), the one of the main characters ends up admiring this hidden part of quarian society.

As for finding a planet to settle - it's been hard for them to find the right planet that is similar to their homeworld. Their homeplanets had symbiotic viruses (from memory) that benefitted. To find a similar ecosystem is next to impossible. Even when their immune system wasn't shot to hell, they had trouble settling other planets and had to go through gene-therpy and had to adapt over many years to that planet. That's why they're so determind to get their homeworlds back too.

So to say the quarians are the 'worst' race is totally unjustified.

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Small talk.
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You are just repeating what I said in a way that it's look better for the Quarians.

[InvaderErl]

Okay, padaE. Show us on the doll where the Quarian touched you.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 mars 2010 - 04:07 .

[Vaenier]

kregano wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Why would, after 300 long years, just get another damn planet already and start rebuilding their numbers...? Its just stupid they are confining themselves to ship life and strangling themselves...

In ME2 it's explained that it would take like 600 years or something like that for quarian immune systems to adjust to a new world compared to 60 if they retook their homeworld.

Stay in rusted space buckets, with barely enough room to maintain a viable genetic diversity, or land on a planet and multiply, building up more forces for the day they retake their planet...

Ya, I can see why they stay in the ships...[/sarcasm]