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[InvaderErl]

To be fair, some of them DO want to do just that.

[Texaboose]

padaE wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
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That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

In Ascension, TIM badly wants access to the Migrant Fleet because he recognizes it as a force to reckon with. The majority of the ships are still armed and armored from the war with the Geth. Granted, some of them are 300 years old, but there's still thousands of them.

Their military force can't hold in a battle of attricion (as mentioned by Kal'Raaga), so they have to use hit and run tactics - but the asari forces do the same, so it's not a far comparision to say one is less then the other in that regard too.

The quarian society is remarkably self-sufficient and determind and, again in Ascention (as that's we get a good look at the quarians), the one of the main characters ends up admiring this hidden part of quarian society.

As for finding a planet to settle - it's been hard for them to find the right planet that is similar to their homeworld. Their homeplanets had symbiotic viruses (from memory) that benefitted. To find a similar ecosystem is next to impossible. Even when their immune system wasn't shot to hell, they had trouble settling other planets and had to go through gene-therpy and had to adapt over many years to that planet. That's why they're so determind to get their homeworlds back too.

So to say the quarians are the 'worst' race is totally unjustified.

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Small talk.
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You are just repeating what I said in a way that it's look better for the Quarians.

Err. No. I was countering your points. To counter a point I have to take the same topic and give a different, but still logical and relevant, view.

[kregano]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

kregano wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
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That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

The quarians were kicked off their planet because they were trying to wipe out a sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. The first communication that the geth had with their creators was war. There was no notification, there was no negotiation. There was just the intent of destruction.

The geth decimated the quarians until they were no longer a threat. Instead of destroying the quarians they implicitely declared a single sided peace by ending the war and the geth isolated themselves from the rest of the galaxy in the systems
beyond the Perseus Veil. They stayed their for about 2 to 3 centuries. In that time they didn't attack the quarians nor any other species.

The first that we hear from the geth after that are the heretics which served Nazara. These are the ones that Shepard fought and the geth had nothing to do with that.

The quarians are not helpless victims, they are the aggressors in the war. And should be treated that way.

Actually, I think the Council played a major part in the quarians decision to wage war against the geth. Remember, the Council put up prohibitions against AI research for whatever reason and the quarians probably feared the Council would respond to the fact that the geth might be sapient in a heavy handed manner, especially after the turians got a seat for deploying the genophage on the krogan. The quarians basically were between a rock and a hard place and took what seemed to be the best solution to the problem at the time. I think that the quarians' anger toward the geth is at least in part redirected anger at the Council for forcing them into their current position by railroading them down a self-destructive path and then leaving them to rot in space for violating a heavyhanded policy.

Nah. The quarians created that sentient species capable of creative and independent thought. And thus they have a responsibility for their well being. Just like in a parent child relation. If you bring a child onto a world and you abuse and neglect that child then every news channel on the extranet is on top of that. If the quarians were really that concerned they should have started a dialogue with the geth. Listen carefully what Tali has to say about the topic. The quarians paniced, because they knew that the Council would disagree with what they've created and thus tried to shut the geth down. The geth merely defended themselves (Shepard even tells Tali that), just like any other species would do against their opressors.

If the Council knew what had happened and if they were really sincere then they should have protected the geth. They failed to do that.

I'm not saying that the geth didn't have the right to defend themselves but lets look at the facts:
-The Council had a ban on AI research
-The quarians were worried about the Council's reaction to the geth (which you yourself mentioned)
-The Council was unlikely to go easy on the quarians for violating one of the their major laws
-The worst case scenario for Council intervention has the turians coming in, wiping out the quarian's military and a good bit of their infrastructure, then turning them into vassals
-The only apparent way to prevent the Council from letting the turians loose on the quarians is to kill the geth
-The Council is sure as hell not going to side with the geth because they are AI and supporting them would make the Council out to be hypocrites
-When the war is over, the Council gets to say "Now you know why have the AI ban," despite the fact that the AI ban caused the war between the quarians and geth when the quarians could've tried to foster the development fo the geth if they weren't worried about being bombed from orbit by the turians.

[Acero Azul]

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

Ecael wrote...

padaE wrote...

From my pov the Floatilla would be no match for a trully military fleet. Numbers alone say nothing.

Actually the volus are pretty damn useless they are a bunch of selfish fat little gnomes who should all be eliminated


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And the Volus are superb economist, and that don't lead them to the almost self destruction.

Volus are selfish, materialistic economists. They hoard money and possesions for themselves without concern for the galaxy's fate.

If you pay a Vorcha and give him a weapon, he'll fight on your side against the Reapers. If you pay a Volus and give him a weapon, he'll take the money, sell the weapon, and hire a Krogan to protect him from you.

Unless he's a biotic god. Then he'll simply throw Harbinger around like a rag doll.

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Does your assumption change the fact they are brilliant economists?

Doesn't change the fact that they're the most useless against the Reapers.

[Ecael]

Texaboose wrote...

padaE wrote...

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Small talk.
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You are just repeating what I said in a way that it's look better for the Quarians.

Err. No. I was countering your points. To counter a point I have to take the same topic and give a different, but still logical and relevant, view.

PadaE is letting his emotion get in the way of reason. As a hardcore Miranda fan, he's trying to downplay Tali's presence on the forum by responding that way. He feels threatened whenever someone criticizes Miranda or praises Tali/Quarians.

If people are going to argue based on their personal bias over a character, they shouldn't bother posting at all, really.

[ObserverStatus]

Ecael wrote...
Volus are selfish, materialistic economists. They hoard money and possesions for themselves without concern for the galaxy's fate.
If you pay a Vorcha and give him a weapon, he'll fight on your side against the Reapers. If you pay a Volus and give him a weapon, he'll take the money, sell the weapon, and hire a Krogan to protect him from you.
Unless he's a biotic god. Then he'll simply throw Harbinger around like a rag doll.

You humans are all racist!

[InvaderErl]

Everyone in this thread is a bunch of filthy, dirty, hot racists.

[Ecael]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Volus are selfish, materialistic economists. They hoard money and possesions for themselves without concern for the galaxy's fate.
If you pay a Vorcha and give him a weapon, he'll fight on your side against the Reapers. If you pay a Volus and give him a weapon, he'll take the money, sell the weapon, and hire a Krogan to protect him from you.
Unless he's a biotic god. Then he'll simply throw Harbinger around like a rag doll.

You humans are all racist!

"I'm sorry, sir, but I'll need you to remove any biotic amps or converted child husk heads that you might be wearing."

Modifié par Ecael, 26 mars 2010 - 05:44 .

[Arcadionn]

Volus are the worst race in the Universe...

[ObserverStatus]

Ecael wrote...
"I'm sorry, sir, but I'll need you to remove any biotic amps or converted child husk heads that you might be wearing."

Like hell you will. *Fires particle beam.*
Turian: Haha, racist b***

[Emperor Mars]

InvaderErl wrote...

Everyone in this thread is a bunch of filthy, dirty, hot racists.

Your more accurate then you think


By removing all the Sci-Fi I can accurately compare the blight of the quarians to three real world cultures/societies.All three of which were systematically obliterated to almost complete annihilation.

--Driven from home
--deemed by society to be useless/criminals/blight 
--extremely talented with a particular area of study, but furthers prejudice
--migrant
--Shunned by all other civilizations
I cant make any religous comparisons

I can then take one of those societies and then compare it with the volus, but I wont, because
I will be pushing the boundries of the forums.

padaE wrote...

 I always think about this when I do Tali Loyalty mission.
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They were exiled of their home planet by a machine race that was their own
creation and now live in a gigant fleet with no destiny.  The coucil
kicked them out and all other races seens to think bad of them. 
.
That would be acceptable if not by the fact that they are in this situation
for centuries. They can't find a planet to call home. They almost don't
have a military force, have few resources and always seens to be living
on the edge. Even more, they have to live in a suit because theirs
immune system is almost non existent. 
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They do have a superb tech skill, but look to where it lead them.
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The best thing the Quarians could do when the Reapers arrive in to throw their fleet at the them... like a suicide run. 

Hey! I am covering a similar ideology in my history course right now! I wont mention which but...this thread has been Godwined.


History Majors--making uncomfortable comparisons since 1088

Modifié par Emperor Mars, 26 mars 2010 - 05:58 .

[starwarsmike1]

If the Quarians had a Homeworld to dump all the civilians, they could then make that whole fleet into a single fighting force against the Reapers.

[77boy84]

The fact that the quarians still want to fight the geth should say enough about them.

F the quarians.

[Skilled Seeker]

InvaderErl wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I agree. Its funny how people think the Quarians are powerful because of their large fleet and think they can help fight the Reapers. But they forget that the vast majority are not warships but civilian and that they are all rusty 300+ year old machines that require constant repairs and can't match a modern vessel. Not to mention if there was a hull breach all the Quarians would die.

50,000 ships is 50,000 ships and a lot of those ships are armed with at least some sort of weaponry. I'm not saying that they'd be able to turn back a Reaper fleet but when looking for allies you could do worse than the Floatilla.

So you would choose to hire an army of 1000 knights in shining armour rather than 250 marines? After all they have greater numbers and some sort of weaponary.

[Skilled Seeker]

MarkusWhatever wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I think the Quarian fleet could overpower the fleets of Terminus system powers. The Batarians seem to be the heavy hitters out there and they are apparently just a bunch of slavers and pirates.

they're just holding back their Leviathan fleets

No its true I remember reading somewhere that the best military the Batarians have to offer is only found around their worlds and no outsiders are allowed there I think. Outside of that the pirates and slavers are not an actual official military force.

[Weiser_Cain]

Vorcha are the worse Batarians are second.

[InvaderErl]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I agree. Its funny how people think the Quarians are powerful because of their large fleet and think they can help fight the Reapers. But they forget that the vast majority are not warships but civilian and that they are all rusty 300+ year old machines that require constant repairs and can't match a modern vessel. Not to mention if there was a hull breach all the Quarians would die.

50,000 ships is 50,000 ships and a lot of those ships are armed with at least some sort of weaponry. I'm not saying that they'd be able to turn back a Reaper fleet but when looking for allies you could do worse than the Floatilla.

So you would choose to hire an army of 1000 knights in shining armour rather than 250 marines? After all they have greater numbers and some sort of weaponary.

That's hardly a serious comparison. You're talking technology that is an entirely different era. Some of the oldest Quarians ships are from 300 years ago (even then this would be after they had already become a space faring race so that difference is not even CLOSE to your knights vs marines scenario) but they've added plenty of ships in that time and we know that they've been outfitting them.

And another reason your analogy doesn't work is that it would be assuming the Quarian choice is an either/or.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 26 mars 2010 - 07:59 .

[mundus66]

They have the largest armada in the galaxy and is definitely one of the best races at technology although they aren't the most advanced. Their immune system is crap, but if it where say humans, that had to live in suits for 200 years, we would probably go extinct.

Modifié par mundus66, 26 mars 2010 - 08:07 .

[Texaboose]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

I agree. Its funny how people think the Quarians are powerful because of their large fleet and think they can help fight the Reapers. But they forget that the vast majority are not warships but civilian and that they are all rusty 300+ year old machines that require constant repairs and can't match a modern vessel. Not to mention if there was a hull breach all the Quarians would die.

50,000 ships is 50,000 ships and a lot of those ships are armed with at least some sort of weaponry. I'm not saying that they'd be able to turn back a Reaper fleet but when looking for allies you could do worse than the Floatilla.

So you would choose to hire an army of 1000 knights in shining armour rather than 250 marines? After all they have greater numbers and some sort of weaponary.

Yes... but these knights have guns too. The quarians DO upgrade their ships when they get the chance.
It's quoted in Ascension that some of the ships don't even look like what they originally did.

[Bebbe777]

If the Quarians are so worthless then how come TIM thinks its good that a Geth war was avoided in order to have an intact fleet when the Reaper attack.

[Swim Razzo]

Perhaps he's hoping the Reapers have a preset kill limit.

Modifié par Swim Razzo, 26 mars 2010 - 08:18 .

[Sunnie]

tdb023 wrote...

Well, many of the races view Quarians as petty creatures that steal. When, in all reality, they are very resourceful. They've survived 300 years away from their home planet on ships that are that old. Just listening to Tali talk about the situation in ME1, makes you understand the trials that the Quarian people have went through. Sure, they brought it upon themselves, but that doesn't mean that they deserved it.

Lets also not forget that the Quarians that brought about the loss of their homes are all dead and gone, none of the Quarians alive now had anything to do with it, just to be technical about it. Quarians now are all stuck in the nightmare created by their ancestors.

Edit: Also keep in mind that Geth are, by Legion's own admission, not operating on the Quarian home world, they operate mainly out in the system and mearly maintain the planet and work to clean it up. I foresee a peace allowing the Quarians to return home and a somewhat peaceful co-existence with Geth (not to be confused with the Geth Heretics).

Modifié par Sunnie22, 26 mars 2010 - 08:32 .

[Kelanil]

I would have to say Batarians since they are basically slavers, pirates, and just all around terrible species. Oh and they seem to blame all there problems on other species. They are the only species that if I'm given a paragon option for I ignore it.

[padaE]

I went to class and returned and read some posts, and well, I don't see nothing really new. At least about the Quarians.

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Texaboose, I get your point, but as I said, you kind of said what I did but with other words. Making the Quarians look stronger than they really are. You say they are remarkable self-suficient, but that's really the case? I mean, is it a good thing in their case, or just a major necessity? And although I don't know the details they do go to planets for resources...

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I agree that they are well armed, for a most civilian fleet, they seens more them capable of defending themselves from pirates or things like that. But do you think they would stand a minimal chance in a full scale war? I really don't think so...