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[ObserverStatus]

mundus66 wrote...

They have the largest armada in the galaxy and is definitely one of the best races at technology although they aren't the most advanced. Their immune system is crap, but if it where say humans, that had to live in suits for 200 years, we would probably go extinct.

Judging by Wall-e I'd say we'd need very large suits.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

padaE wrote...
 But do you think they would stand a minimal chance in a full scale war? I really don't think so...

Depends on what type of warfare, guerrila warfare, they are going to kick ass. Direct combat, they are meat for the meat grinder. Everything the quarians have shown me so far tells me they are need to be mobile and moving in order to surivive. It's basically where their species have ended up doing. You don't see no quarian acting like an krogan charging into battle taking fire as they go. Heck, their entire culture in the game so far speaks to me that they aren't a tank, they are not designed to be a tank. We do not know how the reapers are going to end up in the galaxy, for all we know, it could end up being guerilla type warfare. If you do not use tactics that the combat group are meant for, then you are not using them correctly. Much like trying to cut meat up with an fork. You can do it, but it's going to be rough.

That is like trying to get milita from US colonies and being, "line up, we're gonna walk towards that enemy and we shoot at each other until one side is dead or lost faith in combat."

Milita - "But we use trees and cover and such to shoot at them. We attack from one side and we vanish, and appear on the other side and attack. And we are good at that."

Leader - "Too bad! march!"

Their circumstances suck indeed, but they made do with what they had and they have gotten good to the point if they didn't have a stigma attached to what their ancestors did, the quarians would be very rich folks profiting off of all the things they can do now.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 26 mars 2010 - 08:32 .

[Lesclaig]

You could possible say Krogans are pretty low on the list, seeing as they are all infected with the genophage. They cant reproduce and their homeworld is nuked to ****. Even on their homeworld clans fight against each other and kill eachother off. The quarians are atleast organized and work together to live.

Im not saying a quarian would win in a fight with a krogan though... I krogans

[padaE]

I don't know, how would be guerrila warfare play out in space? And would a be a hit-and-run tactic? I don't think it work out especially if we consider the time the Flotilla needs to pass a Mass Relay... and one thing is if the attackers would try to capture the ships, other one is if they were just there to destroy it all....

[scxenophobe]

Just decapitate the admiralty board, everything would be better.

[Internet Kraken]

I have to agree. I saw nothing impressive from the Quarians in Mass Effect 2. Most of the Quarians you see outside of the Migrant Fleet are always being oppressed and need someone to stick up for them. Every Quarian military operation was a spectacular failure. The Quarians also seem to be doomed to have horribly selfish, inept, idiotic leaders. The fact that some Quarians are considering Tali for the admiralty board is a testament to this.



The only thing the Quarians have going for them is their tech skills, but that hasn't done anything to impress me. The current Quarians seem to be good at fixing things, but that's about it. What impressive Quarian technology have we seen? Nothing we use is made by them. While all the other species continue to advance, the Quarians stagnate, at least from what I've seen. The only testament to the Quarian's technical prowess is the Geth. It's pretty bad when your greatest accomplishment is also your greatest failure. The Geth also have better technology than the Quarians, so they don't even have that advantage any more.



All of the other races have an advantage over the Quarians. Even the Vorcha are at least more prolific than them. They haven't done anything to convince me that they don't suck. If in Mass Effect 3 they do something admirable, like actually have their scrap fleet do significant damage to the Reapers, then my opinion might change. But right now I have no reason to like them.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

padaE wrote...

I don't know, how would be guerrila warfare play out in space? And would a be a hit-and-run tactic? I don't think it work out especially if we consider the time the Flotilla needs to pass a Mass Relay... and one thing is if the attackers would try to capture the ships, other one is if they were just there to destroy it all....

Easy enough actually, Hit and run tactics are the same in space, you just need to make sure you have the exit door open. Guerrila warfare usually go south when your exit door is blocked and can't be budged. So regardless if they shut the door on you or shoot you in the leg, it's the same in space, you just need to make sure you always always have an exit. Actually better to have like.... 5 exits.

We don't know offically what the track record of quarian missions are, we know the ones in game. To be honest I think Tali is a step up for the admirality board. Problem is the fact that the quarians all want this dream to happen and the fact that the experiment happened and a weakness was found, they are willingly to put everything on the line to achieve their dream of getting their homeworld back. I admit it is stupid of them, but on the other hand, it's totally understandable, as most people given an chance that seems decent to achieve their most major goal in life- they would go all in for it. I know I would. Call me stupid, call me insane, but oppunities to achieve one dream does not come often, and the quarians are taking advantage of this while they can.

My personal theory if they do meet the geth - They get raped.
If tali get electing to the admirality board, i could see an truce being made between the geth and the quarians, heck wouldn't be surprised if geth start defending the quarians since my general feeling about the geth is that they regret heavily for attacking their creators and want to attone for it.

edit - forgot about the reapers, the quarians would need to hide most of their civilans from the reapers, pretty easy actually, they could theortically go on the edge of the galaxy and hide just outside the edge of the galaxy. Reaper warfare... would be tough, and to be honest, without knowing exactly how quarian ships are specced, I could not even begin to estimate what their chances of successful warfare would be. For all i know it could be an V8 motor in an volkswagon beetle or an 4 cyclinder tractor trailer truck. Probably both now that i think about it.

But who knows. everything is pure speculation until ME3.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 26 mars 2010 - 08:57 .

[knightnblu]

I like the Quarians. I especially like them better than the Volus. I would reserve judgment of their military capabilities as we have not seen enough of it. While all Quarian ships possess some defense, we have not been shown their warships. However, if they could survive raiders, pirates, and other micreants, I would assume that it was because of their military. Also, they fought a long war with the Geth that should have sharpened thier military accumen. I wouldn't count them out as a major player in ME3.

[BlackMetal]

I'd support the geth in the war.

[SirEmilCrane]

Most detractors of the Quarian military know nothing about military operations in the first place.



The Quarian miliatry has two missions defence of the fleet, which they do stunningly well. In the entire 300 year existence of the migrant fleet no one has come close to hurting it. COnsidering the fleet spends all its time out on the fringes of space where the slavers/batarians/geth/pirates are this is an impressive feat. Their crews are well trained and motivated and they have impressive tech and salvage skills.



The other mission is special tasks, which they also do well but not as well as defense. The Haestrom operation was a success against impossible odds, thanks to shepard. Considering the relative size of the quarian and geth forces, I'm surprised I found anyone alive when I arrived there.



The Quarians are like Australia or Britain to the Council's America, a small professional military assisting in the precision strikes and fleet operations.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The Quarians are like Australia or Britain to the Council's America, a small professional military assisting in the precision strikes and fleet operations.

Good Analogy. I think it would be a rash decision to count them out of a reaper fight. It's happened before in games where ships centuries old come out and rape things. O wait, that's the reapers. >.> However you get what I mean, the ships maybe old, but i certainly wouldn't count them out of the fight.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 27 mars 2010 - 12:47 .

[SirEmilCrane]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The Quarians are like Australia or Britain to the Council's America, a small professional military assisting in the precision strikes and fleet operations.

Good Analogy. I think it would be a rash decision to count them out of a reaper fight. It's happened before in games where ships centuries old come out and rape things. O wait, that's the reapers. >.> However you get what I mean, the ships maybe old, but i certainly wouldn't count them out of the fight.

Imperial Navy ships in 40k are thousands of years old yet the Imperial navy pwned the tau hard in the damocles gulf crusade.

Just becuase stuff is old doesn't mean its bad

In the final battle I see the Quarian SpecOps helping shep board reapers/place targeting beacons/upload viruses etc

Also, with humans on the council they may start to shoot the Quarians new tech. If they can maintain standards with old stuff imagine what they can do with new stuff.

[Barquiel]

I think the Krogan are pretty useless against the reapers. They have no fleet.



worst race? humans!

"You humans are all racist!"

[Internet Kraken]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Most detractors of the Quarian military know nothing about military operations in the first place.

The Quarian miliatry has two missions defence of the fleet, which they do stunningly well. In the entire 300 year existence of the migrant fleet no one has come close to hurting it. COnsidering the fleet spends all its time out on the fringes of space where the slavers/batarians/geth/pirates are this is an impressive feat. Their crews are well trained and motivated and they have impressive tech and salvage skills.

The other mission is special tasks, which they also do well but not as well as defense. The Haestrom operation was a success against impossible odds, thanks to shepard. Considering the relative size of the quarian and geth forces, I'm surprised I found anyone alive when I arrived there.

The Quarians are like Australia or Britain to the Council's America, a small professional military assisting in the precision strikes and fleet operations.

Justify their failures any way you want, it still doesn't change the fact that they are failures. And failures are not impressive. We don't see the Quarian suceed a single time, and they always need Shepard to clean up their mess. This obviously isn't always what happens, but that's what happens in Mass Effect 2. I can't pretend to be impressed by Quarian military strength when I have seen nothing impressive about it. The game gives you the impression that they are pathetic.

[Tibilicus]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

SirEmilCrane wrote...

The Quarians are like Australia or Britain to the Council's America, a small professional military assisting in the precision strikes and fleet operations.

Good Analogy. I think it would be a rash decision to count them out of a reaper fight. It's happened before in games where ships centuries old come out and rape things. O wait, that's the reapers. >.> However you get what I mean, the ships maybe old, but i certainly wouldn't count them out of the fight.

It's a big assumption to make that there's some how going to be a big royal rumble when the reapers show up. Judging by the Bioware writing team there's probably something a lot more exciting in store than a space battle.

On topic, no, the Quarians aren't the worst race in the galaxy. Like every other race they have their own uniqe skills, they're master mechanists. I don't really think there is any single "worse race" in the universe, all the major ones bring something different to the table. Krogans have insane physical strength whilst Turians have a strong sense of obedience and disipline. 

Modifié par Tibilicus, 27 mars 2010 - 12:59 .

[TheLostGenius]

Quarians are a bastard race of scavengers. I'd say they are on the same level as Vorcha, only slightly more intelligent.

[InvaderErl]

TheLostGenius wrote...

Quarians are a bastard race of scavengers. I'd say they are on the same level as Vorcha, only slightly more intelligent.

TheLost!

*hugs him warmly.

It really has been too long. *Hands him a pipe and smoking jacket.

How's the family?

[SirEmilCrane]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Justify their failures any way you want, it still doesn't change the fact that they are failures. And failures are not impressive. We don't see the Quarian suceed a single time, and they always need Shepard to clean up their mess. This obviously isn't always what happens, but that's what happens in Mass Effect 2. I can't pretend to be impressed by Quarian military strength when I have seen nothing impressive about it. The game gives you the impression that they are pathetic.

I guess the Alliance Marines are failures as well. Along with the Asari Commandos, all merc groups, the citadel fleet,  and the Krogan. They fail everytime we see them too right.

Why infact STG didn't do so hot until Shepoard showed up either. C-Sec got decimated by the geth during the battle of the citadel.

Point being, NO ONE IS COMPETENT COMPARED THE SHEPARD. Quarians got beaten because it was convienent for the plot to have them so so.

How about the story that han'gerrel tells. Small gunboat with tow crew fends off several pirate ships and allows the civilian vessel to escape, definitely failure material there.

[InvaderErl]

Am I the only one that liked the Vorcha as sniveling bad guys? *looks around sad and alone.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 27 mars 2010 - 01:10 .

[SirEmilCrane]

InvaderErl wrote...

Am I the only one that liked the Vorcha as sniveling bad guys? *looks around sad and alone.

They made great targets

[InvaderErl]

I laughed when they were like "TELL CAPTAIN GAVORN THAT WE NO KILL ANYBODY TODAY!"

[SirEmilCrane]

InvaderErl wrote...

I laughed when they were like "TELL CAPTAIN GAVORN THAT WE NO KILL ANYBODY TODAY!"

ACCCCCCCCCCCH! COLLECTORS WANT PLAGUE!
EVERYONE CHOKE AND DIE!!!!!

[InvaderErl]

Vorcha rendition of Hamlet in ME3!