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[SirEmilCrane]

Internet Kraken wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...


Edit: They have the largest fleet in the galaxy. I think you cannot **** with them that easily if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure the Geth have a larger fleet than the Quarians.

Geth are n00by spammers, they need to be nerfed in the next patch

Point being, the geth could have a supermassive fleet, or a modest one, we don't know
No one does, but I get the strong inpression from the game that there is one unwritten rule among the priates of the terminus systems
Don't f*ck with the migrant fleet

[kraidy1117]

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

[quote]InvaderErl wrote...

[quote]kraidy1117 wrote...

[quote]Kaiser Shepard wrote...

"Set the charges, destroy the entire Flotilla."[/quote]

Is that what Golo said?

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I'm assuming that's from Ascension.

I don't think explosives could destroy the entire Migrant fleet, unless it was some kind of black hole creating device which I doubt.

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"Set the charges, destroy the entire colony."


That has to be Gol, that crazy Quarian.

[padaE]

The quarians have a gigant fleet and that's it. They would have very limited options in a war. Spliting the fleet would be a major mistake, attacking a planet directly seens like suicide, and so on.

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I was always thinking about a direct attack on the Flotilla, that would be the better scenario if the quarians want to win the war. Because if we start to open other options, the chances of sucess of the quarians are reduced.

[starwarsmike1]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Geth have a larger fleet than the Quarians.

Actually I think theirs was said to be somewhere in the range of 2,000 to 5,000 ships. Very large compared to most other races, but not larger than the Flotilla. After all, I don't think the quarians would even consider a war unless they thought they could win. Surely they must have some idea about the geths' strength and they think they can win.

Also, when it comes to interstellar war you do not need ground troops. There is almost never a reason to send ground troops to fight other ground troops unless there is infrastructure you don't want to destroy. In a war between the geth and quarians this would not be the case. Once the quarians defeat the geth navy they've won the war and can simply bomb the rest of the geth into scrap.

If say you were trying to liberate a human colony or capture a research base THEN you might need ground troops, but still wouldn't need very many.

I agree, the only problem about bombing the planet is that you need to be able to live on it afterwards
I think that is their problem with war, they would be forced to take back colonies and the homeworld with men that they do not have

[Sherana]

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Geth have a larger fleet than the Quarians.

Actually I think theirs was said to be somewhere in the range of 2,000 to 5,000 ships. Very large compared to most other races, but not larger than the Flotilla. After all, I don't think the quarians would even consider a war unless they thought they could win. Surely they must have some idea about the geths' strength and they think they can win.

Also, when it comes to interstellar war you do not need ground troops. There is almost never a reason to send ground troops to fight other ground troops unless there is infrastructure you don't want to destroy. In a war between the geth and quarians this would not be the case. Once the quarians defeat the geth navy they've won the war and can simply bomb the rest of the geth into scrap.

If say you were trying to liberate a human colony or capture a research base THEN you might need ground troops, but still wouldn't need very many.

Not necessarily directly related to the lack of ground troops needed, but... 

Space navy is very different from the wet navy.  Logistics is still extremely important.  Not *as* important as in a groundside war, but unless you're going to have only a single giant battle to decide the entire war...

[lastpawn]

InvaderErl wrote...
The Vorcha are the worst race.

The Quarians just dropped the ball... hard. But they're hardly the "worst."

[InvaderErl]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

"Set the charges, destroy the entire Flotilla."

Is that what Golo said?

I'm assuming that's from Ascension.

I don't think explosives could destroy the entire Migrant fleet, unless it was some kind of black hole creating device which I doubt.

"Set the charges, destroy the entire colony."

Now that must ring a bell, does it not?

...

Oh yeah..........



Pearl Harbor.

[starwarsmike1]

Sherana wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Geth have a larger fleet than the Quarians.

Actually I think theirs was said to be somewhere in the range of 2,000 to 5,000 ships. Very large compared to most other races, but not larger than the Flotilla. After all, I don't think the quarians would even consider a war unless they thought they could win. Surely they must have some idea about the geths' strength and they think they can win.

Also, when it comes to interstellar war you do not need ground troops. There is almost never a reason to send ground troops to fight other ground troops unless there is infrastructure you don't want to destroy. In a war between the geth and quarians this would not be the case. Once the quarians defeat the geth navy they've won the war and can simply bomb the rest of the geth into scrap.

If say you were trying to liberate a human colony or capture a research base THEN you might need ground troops, but still wouldn't need very many.

Not necessarily directly related to the lack of ground troops needed, but... 

Space navy is very different from the wet navy.  Logistics is still extremely important.  Not *as* important as in a groundside war, but unless you're going to have only a single giant battle to decide the entire war...

Wait, i thought that logistics would be great for them. all their resorces are mobile, but that can be a good and bad thing. Its good because they can move their food and weapons with them but its way more vulnerable than a planet version of everything

[kraidy1117]

InvaderErl wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

"Set the charges, destroy the entire Flotilla."

Is that what Golo said?

I'm assuming that's from Ascension.

I don't think explosives could destroy the entire Migrant fleet, unless it was some kind of black hole creating device which I doubt.

"Set the charges, destroy the entire colony."

Now that must ring a bell, does it not?

...

Oh yeah..........



Pearl Harbor.

I only watched the first hour of it before I turned it off, what a crappy movie.

[starwarsmike1]

Shandepared wrote...

starwarsmike1 wrote...
I agree, the only problem about bombing the planet is that you need to be able to live on it afterwards
I think that is their problem with war, they would be forced to take back colonies and the homeworld with men that they do not have

As long as you just use kinetic impactors that won't be a problem. All you have to do is wait for the dust to settle.

How would kinetic impactors not damage buildings and start fires (that i think would be the problem for a planet)

I don't know...... I guess i fell that you need some kind of army to take a planet......

[InvaderErl]

MY GAWD, THAT MOVIE SUCKED.

edit:

Oh and I will say that the Quarians outside of their special forces have nowhere near the numbers they need for a ground campaign.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 27 mars 2010 - 02:49 .

[SirEmilCrane]

starwarsmike1 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

starwarsmike1 wrote...
I agree, the only problem about bombing the planet is that you need to be able to live on it afterwards
I think that is their problem with war, they would be forced to take back colonies and the homeworld with men that they do not have

As long as you just use kinetic impactors that won't be a problem. All you have to do is wait for the dust to settle.

How would kinetic impactors not damage buildings and start fires (that i think would be the problem for a planet)

I don't know...... I guess i fell that you need some kind of army to take a planet......

Not much left on Rannoch anyway, but an Army would be needed to mop up, no matter how many geth you obliterate.

Quarians are more suited to a defensive war than an offensive one

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...



Actually I think theirs was said to be somewhere in the range of 2,000 to 5,000 ships. Very large compared to most other races, but not larger than the Flotilla. After all, I don't think the quarians would even consider a war unless they thought they could win. Surely they must have some idea about the geths' strength and they think they can win.



Also, when it comes to interstellar war you do not need ground troops. There is almost never a reason to send ground troops to fight other ground troops unless there is infrastructure you don't want to destroy. In a war between the geth and quarians this would not be the case. Once the quarians defeat the geth navy they've won the war and can simply bomb the rest of the geth into scrap.



If say you were trying to liberate a human colony or capture a research base THEN you might need ground troops, but still wouldn't need very many.

I could have sworn the codex said that the Heretic fleet that attacked the Citadel was only 5-10% of the Geth's military strength, suggesting that the true Geth are far more powerful than originally speculated. The fact that the Geth lie beyond the Perseus veil means that it is incredibly difficult to scout out their territory, so any estimates of their strength made by the Quarians are vague at best. You also have to remember that Geth can produce forces incredibly quickly. It's easy for them to switch over to producing a large amount of warships, and because the Geth can transfer themselves to any platform their groundforces can be converted into their navy.



It just sounds like the Geth have a huge advantage over the Quarians from what I've read.

[kraidy1117]

InvaderErl wrote...

MY GAWD, THAT MOVIE SUCKED.

edit:

Oh and I will say that the Quarians outside of their special forces have nowhere near the numbers they need for a ground campaign.

What do you expect, it was from Bay >_>

[Sherana]

starwarsmike1 wrote...

Sherana wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Geth have a larger fleet than the Quarians.

Actually I think theirs was said to be somewhere in the range of 2,000 to 5,000 ships. Very large compared to most other races, but not larger than the Flotilla. After all, I don't think the quarians would even consider a war unless they thought they could win. Surely they must have some idea about the geths' strength and they think they can win.

Also, when it comes to interstellar war you do not need ground troops. There is almost never a reason to send ground troops to fight other ground troops unless there is infrastructure you don't want to destroy. In a war between the geth and quarians this would not be the case. Once the quarians defeat the geth navy they've won the war and can simply bomb the rest of the geth into scrap.

If say you were trying to liberate a human colony or capture a research base THEN you might need ground troops, but still wouldn't need very many.

Not necessarily directly related to the lack of ground troops needed, but... 

Space navy is very different from the wet navy.  Logistics is still extremely important.  Not *as* important as in a groundside war, but unless you're going to have only a single giant battle to decide the entire war...

Wait, i thought that logistics would be great for them. all their resorces are mobile, but that can be a good and bad thing. Its good because they can move their food and weapons with them but its way more vulnerable than a planet version of everything

I was speaking in the sense of them adding to the value of an established military, not acting as their own one.  As far as their own military value goes, it's more weakness than strength; as you say, they can be wiped out fairly easily because of it.  In a large-scale war, they have a huge value as a logistical resource in transportation of civilians out of likely war zones, moving of necessary personnel and matierelle (I'm misspelling that, I'm sure), components for construction/repair, restocking of supplies... but the thing is that all of that presupposes an *extended* war.  Against the Reapers specifically, the war may well not be extended; it may be a single large-scale confrontation, in which case the logistical train they can provide is still useful, just not nearly as dramatic.  Speaking as a generality for war in general, though the quarians would make a truly massive boost to somebody else's army, but have critical weaknesses when acting as their own.

(And yes, I realize that some of my statements are playing devil's advocate against other things I've said.  Just trying to expound and clarify what I meant.

[SirEmilCrane]

Quarians win wars the American way, from 5000 feet up pressing a button.

[starwarsmike1]

Shandepared wrote...

starwarsmike1 wrote...


How would kinetic impactors not damage buildings and start fires (that i think would be the problem for a planet)

What buildings? Geth buildings? What use are those to the quarians? Forest fires? Big deal, forest fires are common. These are all short-term problems. The quarians need to be thinking long-term. They need to defeat the geth as efficiently as possible and once they are no longer a threat they've got all the time in the world to rebuild.

im not saying you are wronge, but....

Ok so i have been reading some of the planet descripions when mining for resorces and i remember one planet talking about how there are geth stations all over a planet

some could have been constructed in buildings and geth forces could be spread out over a planet, if they know that hiding in buildings would help protect them then they may go there.

But at long as bombing the planet does not destroy the eco-system or anything like, then yes i believe you are correct! :happy:

[starwarsmike1]

SirEmilCrane wrote...

Quarians win wars the American way, from 5000 feet up pressing a button.

BOOM

[Internet Kraken]

Shandepared wrote...

Yes, but how big is the entire military? I admit that I don't know, but I don't think the quarians would be so foolish as to consider war if they had no idea what they were going up against.

Well like I said, if the fleet that attacked the Citadel was only 5% of their military strength, then the Geth are clearly very powerful. And I think the Quarians really are planning on fighting an enemy they know almost nothing about. The Geth are an enigma. The Perseus veil isolates them from the rest of the galaxy. Nobody could even figure out that the Geth had more than one faction. While it sounds ridiculous that the Quarians are going to fight the Geth when they know little about them, I'm pretty sure that is what is happening. Surely if they had any sufficient data about the Geth they would realize that the Geth aren't even using their planets?

Warships can't be built instantly and the quarians plan to use viral attacks as well.

The Geth are incredibly efficient. It would be very easy for them to begin producing additional warships, and making them operational is easy as they only have to transfer Geth programs into them. It's much easier for the Geth to produce additional forces in comparison to the Quarians. Viral attacks do hold some potential, but the nature of the Geth makes them unreliable at best. Though I imagine depending on your choices you can solve the Geth conflict via the use of viruses, but that is most likely only a temporary solution.

starwarsmike1 wrote...


But at long as bombing the planet does not destroy the eco-system or anything like, then yes i believe you are correct! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]

According to Legion, almost all Geth operations take place inside of space stations. I don't see how destroying Geth infrastructure could cause major environmental damage short of some larger debris landing on the surface of planets. There's no need to bomb planets becuase the Geth don't use them.

Modifié par Internet Kraken, 27 mars 2010 - 03:20 .

[ShadyKat]

Humans are the worst race in the ME universe.