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[Homey C-Dawg]

Daeion wrote...
My guess would be that MS won't consider it legit, I'm not even sure BW considers it to be legit on the PC.  Being able to mod the game so easily is probably the #1 reason ME and ME2 are not games for windows.

Thank god for that. I would not have bought it on PC if it got straddled with GFWL (I'm still upset about Bioshock2). Bioware doesn't need to be messing with that GFWL bullsh*t.

[Daeion]

justinnstuff wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Daeion wrote...
My guess would be that MS won't consider it legit, I'm not even sure BW considers it to be legit on the PC.  Being able to mod the game so easily is probably the #1 reason ME and ME2 are not games for windows.

Thank god for that. I would not have bought it on PC if it got straddled with GFWL (I'm still upset about Bioshock2). Bioware doesn't need to be messing with that GFWL bullsh*t.

Sorry for the stupid question, but what is GFWL?

Games For Windows Live

Not sure why Money C-Dawg has an issue with it, personally I'd love to have the acheivements I earned in ME,  ME2, and DA actually show up on my gamertag.

[Xephyr829]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but if this works for ME 2, could the same thing work for DAO mods if it got the same update ?

[enigma1337]

If the XBox save files can be accessed by/stored on a PC, even if they can't be modified or are radically differently formatted than the PC saves, then they would still be useful for giving XBox players access to save repositories like masseffectsaves.com.

[Noobius_Maximo]

justinnstuff wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Daeion wrote...
My guess would be that MS won't consider it legit, I'm not even sure BW considers it to be legit on the PC.  Being able to mod the game so easily is probably the #1 reason ME and ME2 are not games for windows.

Thank god for that. I would not have bought it on PC if it got straddled with GFWL (I'm still upset about Bioshock2). Bioware doesn't need to be messing with that GFWL bullsh*t.

Sorry for the stupid question, but what is GFWL?

The devil.

[NvVanity]

There are several programs used for editing 360 save files like Modio. Give ME2 a few weeks after this and it'll have it owns mod program like Borderlands.

[ModerateOsprey]

SpectreWarden91 wrote...

Sorry if this is a dumb question but if this works for ME 2, could the same thing work for DAO mods if it got the same update ?

Very unlikely as most DA mods require access to files outside of the save file. However, I did argue in another thread that I believe that what will become available are toolsets, so that modders can supply mods for consoles, potentially charging for them as licensed DLC. Would be nice to see that.

Modifié par ModerateOsprey, 26 mars 2010 - 10:30 .

[Grunt420]

what program would you have to use to be able to mod stuff for the xbox ME2

[LOST GAM3R]

Yes! Yessssss!!!

Just mod at your own risk, Microsoft tries ban any modders on Xbox Live (to my knowledge).

[Fromyou]

i'm okay with that

[LOST GAM3R]

Grunt420:

You can use Hex Editor (for mods that affect gameplay) or Gibbs Save Editor (for ME/ME2 decisions, and credits, paragon/renegade, etc.)

plus, using Gibb's, you can recruit squadmates in any order!

[Darkhour]

justinnstuff wrote...

Ranchhand wrote...

I just want to get better hair styles and change my sheps eye colors, not cheat

That's all I want too. I wish the 360 users could get that ability. I don't care about editing the game so I can recruit people out of order or anything. My newly created Femshep though, is envious of the hairstyles the PC gamers can use.

Or Bioware can pull their heads out of their asses and let you Xbox players have those hairstyles and clothing which ALREADY EXIST IN THE GAME FILES. One casual civilian set? Nothing but military uniforms with cerberus logos all over? I have to wonder if they enjoy being shown up by amateurs? This is why I don't play games on consoles.

[Nizzemancer]

jkthunder wrote...

The save files created for Xbox 360 are not the same for the PC version, so the Gibbed editor won't work for that. Since the USB drive will have to be formatted for the Xbox 360, it's unlikely you will be able to even open those files on your PC unless you use a modding program. Also, chances are if you do mod that save, you could get the perma-ban from XBL if they are able to detect it.

You can have different format harddrives (FAT32 and NTFS as an example where the only real difference is that NTFS support files larger than 4Gb) on the same computer so why would this be a problem?

[Malysoun]

Wasn't there already a rather large lawsuit due to some third-party memory card makers who made a model that could be expanded with regular SD cards?

MS made these incompatible because the SD cards could be read in a PC and people were cheating on acheivements.

I kept my old 360 when I upgraded to my elite, but I wanted some of my ME1 saves and needed an MS approved card. Then I had to move my live profile to the card, sign in from card profile on old unit to do the copy in the first place as part of the protection scheme notes the userid making the copy and if it doesn't match the creator of the file, down comes the ban-hammer.

I'm sure if they allow any old USB device to be used there will be a lot of ID and permission checks. I wouldn't be surprised even if they digitally sign the files using the hardware ID of the specific xbox, which means you'd need to fake your internal hardware ID or find a way to get an editor signed to run on the xbox itself to decrypt.

[jakenou]

Nizzemancer wrote...

jkthunder wrote...

The save files created for Xbox 360 are not the same for the PC version, so the Gibbed editor won't work for that. Since the USB drive will have to be formatted for the Xbox 360, it's unlikely you will be able to even open those files on your PC unless you use a modding program. Also, chances are if you do mod that save, you could get the perma-ban from XBL if they are able to detect it.

You can have different format harddrives (FAT32 and NTFS as an example where the only real difference is that NTFS support files larger than 4Gb) on the same computer so why would this be a problem?

Because those F32/NTFS hard drives can only be used for standard media files (avi movies, mp3 music, etc) to be read by your Xbox and not Xbox 360 system files, which is what your game saves, game installations, demos, etc are. This is why the new 360 USB support will have to format these drives specifically for the proprietary 360 file system. You could always hook up an external USB driven hard drive and play movies or music on your 360, but you could never store game installations or saves on them.

[jakenou]

squidney2k1 wrote...

People have been modding Xbox 360 saves for quite a while. All it takes is a memory unit, the PC connection cable, and a hex editor. I had a friend mod my Xbox RE5 save to switch around gun models, give me thousands of rounds of ammo into a single slot, and add a couple of extra weapons and what not....it's pretty stimple.


People use these set-ups to import game hacks (i.e. Call of Duty). Microsoft does their best, but they can usually only catch online cheaters using modified saves, and gamerscore cheaters. As far as a save for a single-player game, I doubt there's much they can do, nor would they care much to do it.



Maybe now this means that people can mod their saves for infinite resources and different hairstyles.

No matter what game you're playing, modifying a Xbox 360 save goes against the EULA, and if you are caught you will be banned from XBL. If your Xbox 360 is permanently offline (which for ME2 it can't be if you log in to the Cerberus Network), then no one will ever know, but you can consider your warranty null and void. You would also run the risk of getting yourself banned from any Games for Windows if they can link your account to the banned 360 account. It could be far fetched, or it could be the luck of the draw. MS has been known to do random "sweeps" for modified account. Is it a chance you're willing to take for a new hairstyle or eye color? Infinite resources?

[ImperialOperative]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Daeion wrote...

There will probably be a way to do it but I'm sure Microsoft will try to make it as hard as possible because modding saves kind of negates the whole achievement system.

Microsoft's system can detect whether you used game saves to get Achievements for games you've never even played, so I'm sure their system can detect whether Achievements were unlocked via save editing.

It's simple logic.  If you use a game save, you'll get achievements en mass (30 achievements instantly) which would normally take a 40 hour playthrough to get.  So obviously you used a game save.

They check that, and erase your gamerscore/ban your Live account.

Modifié par ImperialOperative, 27 mars 2010 - 12:58 .

[TheBoss1138]

Malysoun wrote...

Wasn't there already a rather large lawsuit due to some third-party memory card makers who made a model that could be expanded with regular SD cards?
MS made these incompatible because the SD cards could be read in a PC and people were cheating on acheivements.
I kept my old 360 when I upgraded to my elite, but I wanted some of my ME1 saves and needed an MS approved card. Then I had to move my live profile to the card, sign in from card profile on old unit to do the copy in the first place as part of the protection scheme notes the userid making the copy and if it doesn't match the creator of the file, down comes the ban-hammer.
I'm sure if they allow any old USB device to be used there will be a lot of ID and permission checks. I wouldn't be surprised even if they digitally sign the files using the hardware ID of the specific xbox, which means you'd need to fake your internal hardware ID or find a way to get an editor signed to run on the xbox itself to decrypt.

MS threatend because they didnt come up with it sooner and from what I heard they were going to try and fight back against MS. This is merely MS saying "HEY look what 'WE' did haw haw". My xbox got bricked during the update and got stuck at this retarded black screen. Luckily my brother and I fixed it, our kung-fu is greater then lame MS support

[Lt. Morke]

I'd do it for infinite resources and the non-linear crew recruitment.

[Cascadus]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

HUGE EPIC facepalm sandwich.....like a trillion facepalms at once. You CAN mod the 360 saves of ME2 NOW and I have been for over a month now. And NO you can't take 360 saves to the PC version because they are still AWESOME EPIC awe inspiring xbox 360 saves.....these to not support bugs, glitches, crashes and incompatibilities and nightmares that are served for breakfast, launch and dinner in all PC games.

I hope to god you're being ironic because otherwise that is the most ignorant and idiotic statement I've seen all day.

[Nokterne]

As long as I don't get banned from Xbox Live or anything...

[tango jack]

If true this is good news as I have been looking to store my saves and content on a external HDD but coud not do it so yeah excellent.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

tango jack wrote...

If true this is good news as I have been looking to store my saves and content on a external HDD but coud not do it so yeah excellent.

Might as well get a flash drive.  External hard drives, along with all forms of external memory, are only capatible up to 16GB.  Microsoft doesn't want their overpriced hard drives to become obsolete.